FullCircle
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If you fly the burgee from the masthead in a fixed position, and it is difficult to retrieve or re hoist, is it acceptable to leave the burgee flying even when the ensign is lowered at night (or even when not on board)?
Is it acceptable to leave your burgee flying?
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pyrojames
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Yes, at night, I leave mine up whenever I am on board. No when not on board. IMHO etc etc.
Athene V30
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Never take it down when onboard / in vicinity but do remove it when off the boat - too expensive to replace! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
In my associations rules there is something about not leaving it up all season.
In my associations rules there is something about not leaving it up all season.
Koeketiene
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Never given that question much thought - I leave mine up 24/7.
Burgee seems to last 3-4 years.
Burgee seems to last 3-4 years.
Alfie168
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Ultra Violet light and a good storm combined will shred it eventually, otherwise its OK up there i'd have thought.
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AlJones
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I have left mine up all season for four Seasons on the trot, new one each year mind you.
The local RNSA members go potty, it should come down at Sunset with the Ensign.
Al.
The local RNSA members go potty, it should come down at Sunset with the Ensign.
Al.
Athene V30
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Wouldn't bother most of the RNSA people I know!
Maybe see you at an East Coast do sometime?
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Maybe see you at an East Coast do sometime?
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Lakesailor
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The local RNSA members go potty
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Good grief we are now in the 21st century. Etiquette and doffing your cap have long been left behind.
The local RNSA members go potty
[/ QUOTE ]The local RNSA members are potty.
Good grief we are now in the 21st century. Etiquette and doffing your cap have long been left behind.
Athene V30
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Etiquette and doffing your cap have long been left behind.
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Not bothered about doffing caps but imho it is a sad reflection on society that etiquette is being left behind.
Etiquette, one aspect of decorum, is a code that governs the expectations of social behavior, according to the contemporary conventional norm within a society, social class, or group. Usually unwritten, it may be codified in written form. Etiquette usually reflects formulas of conduct in which society or tradition have invested. An etiquette may reflect an underlying ethical code, or it may grow more as a fashion, as in eighteenth century Britain where apparently pointless acts like the manner in which a tea cup was held became associated with the upper class. Like "culture", it is a word that has gradually grown plural, especially in a multi-ethnic society with many clashing expectations. Thus, it is now possible to refer to "an etiquette" or "a culture", realizing that these may not be universal. In Britain, though, the word etiquette has its roots in the eighteenth century, becoming a universal force in the nineteenth century to the extent that it has been described as the one word that aptly describes life during the reign of Queen Victoria.
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Etiquette and doffing your cap have long been left behind.
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Not bothered about doffing caps but imho it is a sad reflection on society that etiquette is being left behind.
Etiquette, one aspect of decorum, is a code that governs the expectations of social behavior, according to the contemporary conventional norm within a society, social class, or group. Usually unwritten, it may be codified in written form. Etiquette usually reflects formulas of conduct in which society or tradition have invested. An etiquette may reflect an underlying ethical code, or it may grow more as a fashion, as in eighteenth century Britain where apparently pointless acts like the manner in which a tea cup was held became associated with the upper class. Like "culture", it is a word that has gradually grown plural, especially in a multi-ethnic society with many clashing expectations. Thus, it is now possible to refer to "an etiquette" or "a culture", realizing that these may not be universal. In Britain, though, the word etiquette has its roots in the eighteenth century, becoming a universal force in the nineteenth century to the extent that it has been described as the one word that aptly describes life during the reign of Queen Victoria.
FullCircle
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Hear, hear.
Searush
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Mine stays up while I'm aboard & returns to the locker when I leave. They last for years and years if treated well.
christopherc
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as in eighteenth century Britain where apparently pointless acts like the manner in which a tea cup was held
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Well I'm glad pointless acts have been left behind. Polite etiquette and custom are alive and well as far as I can tell, not that I carry a copy of Debrett's aboard.
as in eighteenth century Britain where apparently pointless acts like the manner in which a tea cup was held
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Well I'm glad pointless acts have been left behind. Polite etiquette and custom are alive and well as far as I can tell, not that I carry a copy of Debrett's aboard.
Lakesailor
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Precisely. It may be that you can make a burgee last longer by putting it away regularly, but that doesn't mean others have to pump steam out of their ears when someone chooses not to.
apparently pointless acts
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Precisely. It may be that you can make a burgee last longer by putting it away regularly, but that doesn't mean others have to pump steam out of their ears when someone chooses not to.
stevebrassett
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The local RNSA members go potty, it should come down at Sunset with the Ensign.
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But that was a new-fangled idea to save money. Traditionally the ensign stays up. At least, it does when I'm on board. That's if I remember to put it up in the first place. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
The local RNSA members go potty, it should come down at Sunset with the Ensign.
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But that was a new-fangled idea to save money. Traditionally the ensign stays up. At least, it does when I'm on board. That's if I remember to put it up in the first place. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
alfons
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Etiquette - tradition... good stuff.
As long as you remember that much of it is simply good manners wrapped up in the class system.
Now, I've a lot of time for good manners....
As long as you remember that much of it is simply good manners wrapped up in the class system.
Now, I've a lot of time for good manners....
Lakesailor
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Rather tenuous connection there.
Good manners is things like letting people out of a door instead of barging through, not blocking pavements chatting with friends, not taking long phone calls when speaking to someone face-to-face.
All the things we were taught when younger. Things that are not taught today.
But taking your burgee on your boat up or down is nothing to do with manners, but the freedom to do what you want does have a lot to do with the much vaunted Freedom of the Sea that we hold so dear. Rules and Regulations are to do with the safe passage of all on the sea, which isn't much affected by whether you leave a burgee flying or not. Manners are to do with your interaction with others. The only interaction you would get with some objectors is when you do what they get annoyed about (that is; leave your burgee up)
In a modern context, you probably make every effort at home not to let on that you're "Not In At The Moment" so why would you operate a signalling system for scrotes when leaving your boat.
Good manners is things like letting people out of a door instead of barging through, not blocking pavements chatting with friends, not taking long phone calls when speaking to someone face-to-face.
All the things we were taught when younger. Things that are not taught today.
But taking your burgee on your boat up or down is nothing to do with manners, but the freedom to do what you want does have a lot to do with the much vaunted Freedom of the Sea that we hold so dear. Rules and Regulations are to do with the safe passage of all on the sea, which isn't much affected by whether you leave a burgee flying or not. Manners are to do with your interaction with others. The only interaction you would get with some objectors is when you do what they get annoyed about (that is; leave your burgee up)
In a modern context, you probably make every effort at home not to let on that you're "Not In At The Moment" so why would you operate a signalling system for scrotes when leaving your boat.
glashen
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I do agree that once you're across the toerail, what the skippers says is the right thing do to is the right thing to do.
But you could take that too far. Certainly it is best to stay the right side of the law.
I remember when I first started sailing one boat with a defaced ensign. Defaced with the boats name stuck on to the ensign. Not right!
But you could take that too far. Certainly it is best to stay the right side of the law.
I remember when I first started sailing one boat with a defaced ensign. Defaced with the boats name stuck on to the ensign. Not right!
maxi
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Of course it's acceptable, if you're an idle s..!
Koeketiene
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It's got nothing to do with being idle.
Some of us have got a life - there's more to life and sailing than a bloody burgee.
Some of us have got a life - there's more to life and sailing than a bloody burgee.
sailorman
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i Belive Royal Clubs expect it /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
