petem
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There's a website apparently when you can input days spent abroad and it will calculate whether you're in breach.
Is 90 in 180 hurting you ?
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petem
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I don't believe this is true Porto. I can apply for an Irish passport due to having an Irish grandfather but it doesn't benefit my wife, even if she's travelling with me. I'd love to be proven wrong!
Clancy Moped
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dunedin
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I am no expert, but I believe getting married to an EU passport holding GF would work, provided travelling with her (but see below).
If, as it seems, this topic is of importance to you, can I recommend that you join the Cruising Association.
They have invested a lot of effort in researching this topic, seeking to influence via a campaign (but, without straying into current affairs, it seems our current UK government has no interest in doing anything) and have a few thousand members in both the Mediterranean and Baltic learning how this works in practice and feeding back to other members. They have the best knowledge available- albeit some local officials on the ground don’t necessarily know the rules themselves and hence currently still some quirks.
Not sure if this page is accessible to non members, but if so might help - CA 180-Day Visa Campaign | CA
goeasy123
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Having an Irish passport is a golden ticket for a UK resident yottie.
-Non-EU close family members inherit freedom of movement when traveling to, from or with EU passport holders.
-You can stay indefinitely in the EU without any EU tax liability.... subject to 2 shuffles... not staying in one country for more than 90 contiguous days and 6 months in the calendar year.
-You don't need any residency status along with the associated financial burdens of proof of means and mandatory health insurance.
-You can buy a discounted boat with no VAT charge, turning it in and out every 18 months, 'cause you are eligible for TI.
-If you have a VAT paid boat... subject to a few conditions.... you can sell it VAT paid in the EU or the UK.
-...and, at least for the present, you can take advantage of there being less (British) boat cluttering up the popular cruising grounds (so we are finding).... sorry about that one!!
-Non-EU close family members inherit freedom of movement when traveling to, from or with EU passport holders.
-You can stay indefinitely in the EU without any EU tax liability.... subject to 2 shuffles... not staying in one country for more than 90 contiguous days and 6 months in the calendar year.
-You don't need any residency status along with the associated financial burdens of proof of means and mandatory health insurance.
-You can buy a discounted boat with no VAT charge, turning it in and out every 18 months, 'cause you are eligible for TI.
-If you have a VAT paid boat... subject to a few conditions.... you can sell it VAT paid in the EU or the UK.
-...and, at least for the present, you can take advantage of there being less (British) boat cluttering up the popular cruising grounds (so we are finding).... sorry about that one!!
goeasy123
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Yes it does benefit any close family members traveling, to, from or with an EU/Irish passport holder. Also, as an EU citizen you have individual personal protection from any wrong decision made by individual EU states or border guards. There is an emergency line EU citizens can contact.
If you get an Irish passport so can your children.
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Tony W
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I’m looking into the French application as that’s most likely where I’ll enter. (tunnel)
goeasy123
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+1 for joining the CA. They are collating a record of members experiences and it seems they are discovering a raft of loopholes AND supporting members using them.
Tony W
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There are and many apps but they all have their gremlins.
At the end of the day I know I spend a lot of time in and around the S zone, It’s become apparent to me that you get your PP wet stamped at every in and out, and they check, hence my previous comments about the “Illegal immigrant look” and comments to that effect. So I have to be proactive and now find a solution ?
Portofino
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They don’t stamp you in / of Fr once initially in .
So in the real world the answer is yes if say you drift ( scuse the pun ) into Italy / Spain .
When your 6/12 is up just leave France to U.K. .
They have no idea where you went within S within the visa time .
Portofino
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Think a about it .
Japanese person marries a French ,or a Belgium person marries a Scot .
They decide to live in one state with hubbys job as she’s having a family .
They don’t live on two sites .
They live on what ever using the citizenship of who ever .
Eg in France but one still holds he’s / her Japanese pass port .
Alicat on here has a Belgium spouse ………they picked Belgium , but equally could have been U.K. on his PP .
Happy now ?
Listen to what I wrote , “they don’t split up married couples ”
Tony W
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The link did open and they seem to be making a good case. I’m going to sign up and join, if I can help then I will.
Would you like the £20 voucher they offer current members who recommend like you have, just need a code from you to enter and name??
dunedin
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Not sure about the “loopholes” bit. Yes they have members successfully securing the extended visas in Sweden and France, the only two countries that AFAIK do them, plus lots of lucky people getting Irish passports (or marrying the right person!), but not many “loopholes”.
Indeed, some others on this forum have been publicly admitting their “flying under the radar” and blatantly over staying the 90 days. But the CA forums have also recently seen somebody looking for a lawyer to help them due to an inadvertent stay just marginally over the 90 days that has gotten them the prospect of large fines and/or difficulty in getting back to their boat for a few years.
Tony W
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Not true, I’ve got them, they do Stamp religiously now in and out for travel between any S zone country and the UK. So, it’s wet stamped at say the tunnel, I go wherever in the S zone no problem being mindful of the limitations, I then jump on a flight for a couple of days business in the uk, it is stamped again, thats my In and Out captured regardless to where I drift?
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petem
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Looks like (for once) you're right!
Britons married to EU citizens are not bound by the 90/180 day rule and can stay in Spain (spanishpropertyinsight.com)
DavidJ
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That‘s useful for my daughter who is married to an Irish guy. I wonder if it applies to their UK kids without them having to get Irish passports (which I think is possible).
dpb
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This gives you the best info that i found
180 days in france
Expect to spend a good few hours on your computer getting your head around it.
You do have to give an adress in france and the adress of the boat was accepted.
It is only good for france. but you can travel to other eu countries whilst there under the 90 day rule. You can also use the 90 day rule during the 6 months of the year outside the visa period. But you have to kick off the 6 month visa with uk to france journey and close it with france to uk.
dpb
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Our boat adress was accepted for this.
Forty_Two
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It's not difficult, but, if you are not retired you do have to convince them you will not undertake any employment whatsoever. Even retired i had to give a statement i would not work. Work of course includes remote working.
With the visa i am no worse off for time in France as I have to keep it below the 183 days anyway as not looking for residence. Used 60 days of my 90/180 earlier in the year & didn't have to worry about how soon i came back to France using the visa. Just need to count upto 182 for the calendar year.
Build yourself an Excel spreadsheet, makes it easy to do the 90/180 counting.
Poignard
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This requirement for an address is something I would want to clarify personally with the French embassy before I applied for the visa.
I wouldn't take the word of some unknown person on a website.
I simply don't believe that, having been issued with a visa as a tourist, one is expected to spend the entirety of one's stay in the same place!
Although as a tourist one might choose to stay in one place, it is far more likely one would move around by boat, caravan, car, train, bus, aircraft, on foot, or whatever, stopping at different places for as long as one wished.
I wouldn't take the word of some unknown person on a website.
I simply don't believe that, having been issued with a visa as a tourist, one is expected to spend the entirety of one's stay in the same place!
Although as a tourist one might choose to stay in one place, it is far more likely one would move around by boat, caravan, car, train, bus, aircraft, on foot, or whatever, stopping at different places for as long as one wished.
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