Magic_Sailor
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I was interested by the other Iraqi oil post so thought I'd start another one from a different perspective as I didn't see this covered when I last looked.
Some years ago - just after the Gulf War I flew to the States for the first time. It was a clear January night as I flew into Dallas Fort Worth. I was astonished. Dallas glowed - a continuous bright glow, not individual street lights, unlike London which has pin pricks of light with vast swathes of darkness where the parks and commons are. My impression was that, could I stick a slice of bread outside then I could toast it. Mile after mile - it lasted for 20 minutes at say 300mph. It brought home to me Americas reason for the Gulf War. I would think that this is a major reason why they are doing this now. There seems to be no direct link between Iraq and the perpetrators of the disgusting September the 11th outrage - indeed, they are no longer mentioned.
Which calls into question why we are so heavily involved now. It is too easy to say that Blair is Bush's poodle - mere tabloid hysteria.
I voted for Blair and whilst I have lost belief in his Government I cannot believe that he is a complete liar or that he would risk the lives of our children just because Bush tells him to. There has to be more to it. So below are some of the possibilities.
1. He really does have information that Saddam is getting ready to use a weapon on us or provide it to others who will.
2. He believes that Saddam will use oil as a weapon against us and is protecting our livelihoods and way of life - yours and mine.
3. As a committed Christian he will no longer stand by and watch Saddam torture and kill innocent people.
4. He is not prepared to risk our way of life being threatened by any possibility whatsoever from whatever quarter - the fact that Iraq happens to be Muslim is neither here nor there and September the 11th was merely a catalyst.
Maybe there are more and I would say that any of those are strong arguments in favour to a greater or lesser degree. Except that I have a Son. Directly I reduce the argument to the personal, I start to waiver.
One thing seems certain. Muslim people do see this as anti-muslim and we risk making a billion enemies whose view of life is in some ways very different - but no less valid. So, we had better start understanding why they feel so bad. We must not let the situation in Palastine continue - which they seem to see as a focus and catalyst for their actions.
The question is - how do we improve the lot of other nations without damaging our own? Anybody who thinks the one doesn't lead to the other is living in cloud cuckoo land.
Magic
Some years ago - just after the Gulf War I flew to the States for the first time. It was a clear January night as I flew into Dallas Fort Worth. I was astonished. Dallas glowed - a continuous bright glow, not individual street lights, unlike London which has pin pricks of light with vast swathes of darkness where the parks and commons are. My impression was that, could I stick a slice of bread outside then I could toast it. Mile after mile - it lasted for 20 minutes at say 300mph. It brought home to me Americas reason for the Gulf War. I would think that this is a major reason why they are doing this now. There seems to be no direct link between Iraq and the perpetrators of the disgusting September the 11th outrage - indeed, they are no longer mentioned.
Which calls into question why we are so heavily involved now. It is too easy to say that Blair is Bush's poodle - mere tabloid hysteria.
I voted for Blair and whilst I have lost belief in his Government I cannot believe that he is a complete liar or that he would risk the lives of our children just because Bush tells him to. There has to be more to it. So below are some of the possibilities.
1. He really does have information that Saddam is getting ready to use a weapon on us or provide it to others who will.
2. He believes that Saddam will use oil as a weapon against us and is protecting our livelihoods and way of life - yours and mine.
3. As a committed Christian he will no longer stand by and watch Saddam torture and kill innocent people.
4. He is not prepared to risk our way of life being threatened by any possibility whatsoever from whatever quarter - the fact that Iraq happens to be Muslim is neither here nor there and September the 11th was merely a catalyst.
Maybe there are more and I would say that any of those are strong arguments in favour to a greater or lesser degree. Except that I have a Son. Directly I reduce the argument to the personal, I start to waiver.
One thing seems certain. Muslim people do see this as anti-muslim and we risk making a billion enemies whose view of life is in some ways very different - but no less valid. So, we had better start understanding why they feel so bad. We must not let the situation in Palastine continue - which they seem to see as a focus and catalyst for their actions.
The question is - how do we improve the lot of other nations without damaging our own? Anybody who thinks the one doesn't lead to the other is living in cloud cuckoo land.
Magic
