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Why do you bother? Every yottie is going to hate you for having the effrontery to drive something that hasn't got a sail whether you're doing 6.5 or 65kts so you might as well put your pedal to the metal. Apropos nothing at all, this kind of self righteous bollox just doesn't seem happen anywhere else except the UK.
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And on that premise, every moboer is going to hate every boat that has the effrontery to travel at less than the maximum speed limit, holding them up as they go about their urgent business. As you say this kind of self righteous bolleux just doesn't seem to happen anywhere else except the UK - and in particular, the Solent ;)
 
This whole debate is making me wonder.
If so many people are boating in the Solent, logic would suggest that there must be at least one valid reason.
Can you guys explain me what it is, because the more I read the less I can see any...:confused: :rolleyes:
 
MapisM said:
This whole debate is making me wonder.
If so many people are boating in the Solent, logic would suggest that there must be at least one valid reason.
Can you guys explain me what it is, because the more I read the less I can see any...:confused: :rolleyes:
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It is a marvellous area for boating - all those thousands of people can't be wrong - it's just improved when a lot of them stay at home... ;)
 
MapisM said:
This whole debate is making me wonder.
If so many people are boating in the Solent, logic would suggest that there must be at least one valid reason.
Can you guys explain me what it is, because the more I read the less I can see any...:confused: :rolleyes:
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Because there are many times when it is mostly empty, peaceful, sheltered and warm, with plenty of space for everyone.
None of the above applies to the Hamble River entrance, Cowes Harbour entrance, or Portsmouth Harbour entrance which are all "hotspots" at busy times.
 
l'escargot said:
And on that premise, every moboer is going to hate every boat that has the effrontery to travel at less than the maximum speed limit, holding them up as they go about their urgent business. As you say this kind of self righteous bolleux just doesn't seem to happen anywhere else except the UK - and in particular, the Solent ;)
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But that's the point you are missing. I don't travel at the maximum permissible speed, 10 knots in this case. Coming into the harbour on an ebb tide I'm probably going to make between 3 and 6 knots depending on circumstance. What I struggle with are boats making less than a knot or even going backwards. In a busy commercial port I see that as irresponsible and would suggest they have put themselves in a position where their boats are not fit for purpose.

I have no issue with people chilling out and taking it easy, we do it a lot but in a busy commercial port you need your witts about you and have to move in a timely manner.

What makes me chuckle is when we are pottering along in open water and a sailor comes to overtake us. Appreciating that we are the stand on vessel is an alien concept. I don't make a big issue and alter course where necessary to avoid confrontation.

You seem to have a lot of preconceived ideas surrounding vessel type and people's apparent wealth.

Henry :)
 
MapisM said:
This whole debate is making me wonder.
If so many people are boating in the Solent, logic would suggest that there must be at least one valid reason.
Can you guys explain me what it is, because the more I read the less I can see any...:confused: :rolleyes:
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Surely only the same as judging the Mediteranian on busy anchorages in the hight of the summer or trying to negotiate to negotiate moorings in popular destinations.

Henry :)
 
Are people here forgetting that a speed limit is speed through the WATER and not speed over ground. 3 knots coming into Portsmouth harbour on a GPS might have been six or seven through the water. If one was really doing 3 knots through the water then they would be standing still in the harbour entrance on a strong ebb

On my Targa i only have a chart thingy and not water speed instrument so i make sure i judge my speed by my wake and other boats.

I bet the vast majority of speed motorboats i see are because they are doing ground speed and not water speed.
 
Sailorsam101 said:
On my Targa i only have a chart thingy and not water speed instrument so i make sure i judge my speed by my wake and other boats.
I bet the vast majority of speed motorboats i see are because they are doing ground speed and not water speed.
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Interesting: all the boats I have owned had a paddle wheel thingy as well for measuring water speed.
 
FlowerPower said:
Interesting: all the boats I have owned had a paddle wheel thingy as well for measuring water speed.
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Think you are mainly right FP but like mine they often stick so have to use the GPS data. A point however is how is anybody else (like the harbour master) going to measure your speed accurately because they will not know the exact tidal flow under your boat.
 
henryf said:
But that's the point you are missing. I don't travel at the maximum permissible speed, 10 knots in this case. Coming into the harbour on an ebb tide I'm probably going to make between 3 and 6 knots depending on circumstance. What I struggle with are boats making less than a knot or even going backwards. In a busy commercial port I see that as irresponsible and would suggest they have put themselves in a position where their boats are not fit for purpose.

I have no issue with people chilling out and taking it easy, we do it a lot but in a busy commercial port you need your witts about you and have to move in a timely manner.

What makes me chuckle is when we are pottering along in open water and a sailor comes to overtake us. Appreciating that we are the stand on vessel is an alien concept. I don't make a big issue and alter course where necessary to avoid confrontation.

You seem to have a lot of preconceived ideas surrounding vessel type and people's apparent wealth.

Henry :)
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Where have I mentioned wealth? Did you feel the need to introduce it because no one else has?

My post was an ironic one, mimicking Deleted User's with all his preconceptions about yotties, but it obviously escaped you...

How many of these mystical overtaking yotties have rammed you then, shouldn't you hold your course as the vessel being overtaken? Jinking about like that in front of faster boats could cause all sorts of mayhem and collisions. :) I think that is just one of you "preconceived" ideas of yotties - that none of them know the rules as well as you. Can you produce one, I know hundreds and there's thousands on here but I have never seen or heard a single one claim to be stand on when over taking - I thing they are a mystical beast that exists only in the imagination of certain types of moboer ;)

Is your 3 to 6 knots over the ground, because that can equate to 7 to 10 knots through the water when the tide is at full flow, how's your wash then? Is a boat that creates excessive wash a low speeds in confined areas "fit for purpose"?
 
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Sailorsam101 said:
Are people here forgetting that a speed limit is speed through the WATER and not speed over ground...
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Are you sure Portsmouth is through the water, not over the ground? I can't find a reference on QHM website. I know most of the Solent is now through the water but thought Portsmouth harbour was still over the ground.

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Ignore that, just found it - Yes, you're right, it is through the water.
 
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I would not enter a harbour at peak flow, but why the f**k MOBOs feel the need to come so close to yachts under sail is beyond understanding and LOGIC!! Henrys words are refreshing, but many amateur MOBO skippers do the opposite - at least in the Solent!

Heading towards Soton last weekend, minding my own business (well clear of the channel) when I look behind and see a large MOBO approaching very fast on my aft quarter, with an equally large following wash. For reference the MOBO was a Prestige 550 and I hope the owner/skipper is ashamed of himself!! I prepare SWMBO, get ready to sheet in the main etc etc. I look aft again and he’s adjusted his course to pass even closer. At this stage SWMBO panics as she believes he’s going to run us over (for a few seconds I thought the same). Anyway 5 seconds later the MOBO passes within 10 metres, throwing up a massive wash, violently rocking our boat and very nearly forcing a crash gybe.

There was absolutely no need to pass so close, he had 100s of metres to play with! I cannot fathom why he did it! Complete c**tish behaviour. Money can buy you expensive boats, good looking women and a luxurious life, but money CANNOT buy you good seamanship or class!

A similar 'incident' happened a few months ago when sailing on my mates 36ft Bavaria. We where drifting past Durns Point when a Princess mobo flies past us (clearly in a rush for lunch at Bealieu) throwing up a large wash, shaking any wind out of the sails, violently rocking the boat and scaring a young child that was onboard. My mate who's a professional skipper with decades of experience exchanged a few French words with the MOBO, but most of these new MOBOs have tinted glass, so it's pointless shouting anything apart from reporting them to the relevant authorities!

P.S. This is not an anti MOBO post! Don't get me started on the Solent yachtie racer boys, but at least they don't throw up 2 metre waves everywhere they go!
 
CharlieAlpha said:
Think you are mainly right FP but like mine they often stick so have to use the GPS data. A point however is how is anybody else (like the harbour master) going to measure your speed accurately because they will not know the exact tidal flow under your boat.
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Mine was removed when the previous owner upgraded to modern instruments....I might out it back on one day.

Also most small motorboats I've been on only have the bendy arm things on the stern to measure speed and these don't work at slow speeds at all.

I spent a lot of time on a searay 240 some years ago and that had no speed readout until well past 10 knots
 
I think the vast majority of Mobo owners do take wash into consideration when passing sailing Yachts. At least that is my experience. There are some that lend a bad name but to taint them all with the same brush is unfair. I too have a huge issue with wash. The Conwy estuary can get a significant tidal flow going. This last weekend it must have easily got to 8 knts. At these sort of current velocities it is impractical for most Mobo's to make it up against the flow without creating a wash. And speed boats are by far the worst at doing this. My boat was put on top of her river pontoon last bank holiday weekend by one such idiot who had no excuse as it was done at slack water and he sure got my ire, however, by and large I approach it on a live and let live basis. What else can I do? Make a drive to ban sub 20 foot speedboats from the river on account as it's impracticable for them to use the river without creating a wash in contravention to the rules and colregs? That would just be vindictive. We are after all just out to enjoy ourselves whatever our bent in vessel is and try to do it as responsibly and fairly as possible.
 
I would have expected most of us, when faced with a strongish tidal flow - such as when entering Pompey on the ebb - to do a mental calculation as to the rate of flow and have a reasonable idea of speed through the water. No need to haul out the charts even. It's easy to think: well I was making 10 knots and now I'm making 7. I'm heading in the same direction and haven't touched the throttles so the chances are there's about three more knots of tide heading towards me than there was... :D
 
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