International Certificate of Competence (ICC)

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A few years ago I applied to the RYA for a CCI based on various certificates that I picked up whilst in the Royal Marines back in the '60s. The RYA had no problems then and my ICC arrived within a few days. Since then I have owned my own yacht for several years and become alot more competent and experienced.

I was therefore surprised when I received a letter from the RYA asking if I wanted to renew my certificate, which expires in a couple of weeks. The cost of this is £39 (free if you are an RYA member).

Is it only the ICC that expires like this or does the same apply to other yachting qualifications?
 
Lots of questions on this recently. Search this forum on 'ICC' for more detail.

I think the answer is that early ICCs were issued to cover any boat - say up to 60 ft LOA, even if you were tested on a 20 ft boat.

More recent ICCs are issued on the length of the boat you were tested on; so if you were tested on a 28ft boat the certificate applies to boats up to 35 ft and no more. So renewals will specify the size range of boat you qualified on.

I wish the RYA would explain this better than I can, anyone know how to get them to do this?
 
I think it works like the PRS. I want more money, how can I con my customers into paying again for the same item? Oh, I know, I'll tell him his old one is worn out & he needs to buy a new one. Problem solved for insolvent organisation.
 
The ICC isnt a yachting qualification - its a UN piece of paper (believe it or not) and is in effect a sort of marine driving licence for those countries like the UK who dont have a national one,.

Most of your yachting qualifications are indefinite - your Yachtmasters ticket for example. But some arent - Yachtmaster instructors have toi be re done every 5 years. Same with the First Aid cert but not with the SRC licence. In short, some are permanent and some arent.

And cynical though I am about the RYA's commerciality, it isnt all down to them.
 
Have a look on the Liveaboard forum. Facts are the ICC is issued under UN Resolution 40 which is about recognition of Certification - including Commercial. The requirement is for Certificates to be current and 5 years is the renewal time. There is no need for a retest and the charge is administrative. Under £8 a year seems reasonable for what it gives you.
 
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To which organisation do you refer? Not the RYA, I hope. They don't make the Rules, they just follow them.
 
I'm just about to re-vaildate (this May) my MCA Boatmasters Licence and my RYA YM offshore ticket with commercial endorsement, by the time I'm finished I'll be lucky to get away with less than 2 hundred nicker.

RYA charges ~ MCA charges ~ GP charges, etc, etc.

But the RYA have never asked me to re-vaildate my ICC instructors ticket?

Peter.
 
How are you managing to re-validate the Yachtmaster ticket? Maybe the first aid or even the sea survival (I dont know about that one) but not the YM. Certainly my YM ticket doesnt require revalidation.

And I didnt know there was an ICC instructor ticket. I thought that there was some sort of approval for sail YMs to do the simple ICC test so I guess it must be different for Mobos

Mind you, the RYA are never consistent. My shorebased instructors bit is supposedly valid only for 5 years but then they did away with the revalidation course and happily still authorise me every year.
 
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But the RYA have never asked me to re-vaildate my ICC instructors ticket?



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There is no such thing as an ICC instructors ticket. If you are either a cruising instructor or YM Inst then that covers it. ICC is less of a standard than Day Skipper so you can do an 3 day ICC on the back of your normal RYA instructors certificates (through an RYA recognised training centre of course!). Unless of course you only hold a Level 2 or Advanced power boat instructor ticket which I don't recall you do.
 
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How are you managing to re-validate the Yachtmaster ticket? Maybe the first aid or even the sea survival (I dont know about that one) but not the YM. Certainly my YM ticket doesnt require revalidation.



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If you hold a commercial endorsement to any RYA ticket, then a new medical - MLD5 - is required every 5 years. Then you have to have the ticket revalidated as part of that process. Plus an updated 1st Aid certificate is required every 3 years. Once you are over 65 then the process is annual.

RYA charge £25 for updating commercial endorsements. I just did mine and although it was not a requirement I also updated my Advanced Powerboat commercial as well - still £25 for the two.

Shore based instructors are different, but all practical instructors are revalidated every 5 years. YM and Cruising instructor updates involves an on-water revalidation, Powerboat instructors have to keep a log and supply that with a form signed by the centre for whom they work. Again, every 5 years.

If you just hold an "ordinary" YM then that does not need revalidation - same as the SRC and sea survival ticket.
 
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To which organisation do you refer? Not the RYA, I hope. They don't make the Rules, they just follow them.

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Actually they are part of the Consultative Organisation that sits at regular intervals to discuss not only ICC, but CEVNI and all other Boating matters - leading to design and implementation of these matters.
Yes they implement the items and cannot alter them on their own, but they do have a seat in the committee ...
 
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