Interesting video?

[PaulRainbow]

So what is wrong with that it up to Coopec not up to you or anyone else.

Nothing at all, lots of people have summer houses and gazebos.

 

[[70521]]

Good lord the chap in the video talks a lot, but has nothing to say.

 

[pvb]

Good lord the chap in the video talks a lot, but has nothing to say.

Like I said before, yet another clueless YouTube vlogger! Just trying to get his viewing numbers up by using the old "Bavaria keel" nonsense. Still, coopec fell for it, unsurprisingly.

 

[geem]

Yes, yet another clueless YouTube vlogger! Just trying to get his viewing numbers up by using the old "Bavaria keel" nonsense. Still, coopec fell for it, unsurprisingly.

The funniest bit I thought was the comment that Bavaria's "fit and finish" was poor. If anything, it's way ahead of most makes.

This link to owners of a new model Bav57 suggests they are far from perfect. No mention of fit n finish just lots of teething problems.

I was more interested in their comparison of costs in Med and Caribbean, which is why I watched the vid. Even so I cant work out how they spend $3000 dollars a season on fuel in the Caribbean unless they are running a generator 24/7.

 

[Neeves]

This link to owners of a new model Bav57 suggests they are far from perfect. No mention of fit n finish just lots of teething problems.

I was more interested in their comparison of costs in Med and Caribbean, which is why I watched the vid. Even so I cant work out how they spend $3000 dollars a season on fuel in the Caribbean unless they are running a generator 24/7.

Some people use yachts as floating caravans and don't actually use sails, but motor from anchorage to the next. That and the gen set will consume the fuel. They need to motor, or use the gen set, as they need to top up the batteries - which you are not going to do if you sail.

With no disrespect to the liveaboards here - the idea that living on a yacht allows sailing experience is slightly flawed.

Nothing wrong with any of this - at least the yacht is being used.

Jonathan

 

[PaulRainbow]

The idea that everything on an older boat is nearing end of life is utter drivel, usually trotted out by the new boat brigade (you know who you are )

Take post #6, "my boat is 6 years old", so, your standing rigging needs replacing in 4 years. Every part of your boat is 6 years old.

My "boat" is 40 years old, but, my genoa is 4 years old, main is 1 year old, rigging 4 years old, electronics brand new, upholstery brand new, wiring and plumbing brand new, and lots of other bits an pieces are less than 5 years old (when i bought the boat). So, it rather looks like my 40 year old boat is newer than a 6 year old Bavaria

Boats are a bit like Triggers broom, so i don't see that a 30-40 year old boat needs much more looking after than a 10 year old boat.

I'm already fixing stuff on 3/4/5 year old production boats. Spoke to the owner of a 40 odd ft Hanse in 1019 2019, boat brand new, had lost a whole season due to issues with the boat. Had to attend to a 5 year old French production boat, one of the ceiling panels had fallen down and ripped the wiring out of the light fitting, the panel had been affixed by banging some long staples through strips of ply, screwing the strips of ply to the under deck, then banging the panels onto the staples, incredible.

I see good, bad and ugly on all sorts of boats, of all ages and makes.

If you want a new boat, because you like the look of it, or you think it needs less maintenance, or you just want one "because", that's great, i'm sure you'll be happy. I could buy a new boat tomorrow if i wanted to, but i kinda like my 40 year old Westerly, so please don't keep telling me how great your new one is, i don't want one. If i win the Euro millions tomorrow i might buy a big gin palace and to hell with the ozone layer and the cost of diesel, other than that, i'm OK thanks

 

[Tranona]

Paul - nobody is trying to convince you to change - just dealing with the misconceptions that some people have about modern boats. While it is useful to highlight one off instances of problems other people have in isolation, perhaps actually owning and paying all the bills is a better test of what is worth having. All I can say is I have had 2 new boats and have simply not experienced the sort of scary stories bandied around and no doubt I am not alone

Anyway it provides a balance for the constant stream of posts from folks on these forums saying how brilliant their 40 year old boats are (you know who you are) when their praise is surrounded by others asking how to deal with issues on the very same types of boats. Regrettably as you no doubt know from your work very few 40 year old boats are kept in the same way as you keep yours and often they come on the market after the last 2 or 3 owners have run out of money and interest to keep them in good order.

BTW interesting to hear that Hanse were building boats even before Harold got an arrow in his eye.

 

[coopec]

PVB

I would worry too much about the keel falling off your Bavaria (provided you keep it penned in the marina). If it worries you maybe you should get it "re-engineered" like many Bavaria owner have already done.

Was it you or someone else that gave us the link to the following article a few years ago?

Bavaria fights back against Match 42 claims
The Match 42 had been afflicted with keel problems before this race and all 10 that had been built at that stage were recalled for extra laminating and steel backing plates for the keel.
Bavaria has now recalled all 150 Match 42 and Match 38s for modifications and reinforcement of their hulls in the keel area.

Boating Business | Bavaria fights back against Match 42 claims

 

[PaulRainbow]

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[PaulRainbow]

Paul - nobody is trying to convince you to change - just dealing with the misconceptions that some people have about modern boats. While it is useful to highlight one off instances of problems other people have in isolation, perhaps actually owning and paying all the bills is a better test of what is worth having.

My last boat was a 3 year old French production motorboat, with just 149 hours on the clock, so i do have some experience at both ends of the age scale.

But i'm not knocking either end or any boat in particular. We all purchased our boats for our own reasons and i'm sure that almost every one of us love them as much as the next man.

All I can say is I have had 2 new boats and have simply not experienced the sort of scary stories bandied around and no doubt I am not alone

Definitely not alone, i'm sure most people who buy new aren't unlucky enough to have the poor experiences that the odd person gets.

Anyway it provides a balance for the constant stream of posts from folks on these forums saying how brilliant their 40 year old boats are (you know who you are)

Touché

when their praise is surrounded by others asking how to deal with issues on the very same types of boats. Regrettably as you no doubt know from your work very few 40 year old boats are kept in the same way as you keep yours and often they come on the market after the last 2 or 3 owners have run out of money and interest to keep them in good order.

We get as many owners of 2000 + production boats on here too. Pretty much everything that can wear out or fail will do so whatever the boat is, we all use the same pumps, electronics, deck gear, lines,sails etc and GRP hasn't started to fall apart on any boats in particular, yet. We do see more older boats wiring in need of attention, but that's generally more as a result of people adding/removing equipment and bodging the wiring.

BTW interesting to hear that Hanse were building boats even before Harold got an arrow in his eye.

Fat fingers, small keys, have edited the original post

 

[peter gibbs]

An overextended confused sub- journalisic splashabout hitting on Bavaria. So the 50k+ Bav owners should dump their boats because the company was started by someone from another trade? Moving on.....

 

[Tranona]

PVB

I would worry too much about the keel falling off your Bavaria (provided you keep it penned in the marina). If it worries you maybe you should get it "re-engineered" like many Bavaria owner have already done.

Was it you or someone else that gave us the link to the following article a few years ago?

Bavaria fights back against Match 42 claims
The Match 42 had been afflicted with keel problems before this race and all 10 that had been built at that stage were recalled for extra laminating and steel backing plates for the keel.
Bavaria has now recalled all 150 Match 42 and Match 38s for modifications and reinforcement of their hulls in the keel area.

Boating Business | Bavaria fights back against Match 42 claims

You really should get the message - that issue affected just ONE design and all affected boats were repaired at the builder's cost as the article stated. 150 boats in a period when Bavaria were building 3000 boats a year.

I know it is difficult for you being 9000 miles away, but I am not sure you appreciate the scale of the European boat building industry and the 10's of thousands of boats built in the last 50 years ago which are giving reliable service and enjoyment to their owners.

It must be depressing constantly scanning the internet to find negativity - perhaps better to look for the many stories of the delight that people experience using their boats all around the world.