coopec
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Bavaria yachts
Interesting video?
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pvb
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Don't feed the troll, folks!
coopec
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Actually PVB, Bavaria is under new management and they have a whole lot of new designs. Sales are booming
Likewise, the new sailing yachts BAVARIA C45, C50 and C57 conquered important market segments in 2019
News | BAVARIA YACHTS
Likewise, the new sailing yachts BAVARIA C45, C50 and C57 conquered important market segments in 2019
News | BAVARIA YACHTS
rogerthebodger
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Now Now Clive you are on shaky ground now.
Hows the boat coming along.
Hows the boat coming along.
PaulRainbow
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rogerthebodger
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At least we get a very long summer and the winter boating or otherwise is very good much better than the UK. I also have a swim in the winter and on Christmas Day.
PaulRainbow
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What on Earth has any of that got to do with this thread ?
Tranona
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Back on thread. What a curious video. Mostly a rehash of common material on keels in general with virtually no reference to Bavaria at all in this context. Then quite a bit about the latest AWBs in the US market.
Summary seems to be that he likes a lot about the latest Bavaria C45 but does not care for the interior design or finish - and then illustrates his conclusion with shots of the interior of a 2015 37 - totally different boat!
Must be , and looks, cheap to make video with him talking to the camera in his living room interspersed with lifted images from elsewhere. Content at the same low level.
Summary seems to be that he likes a lot about the latest Bavaria C45 but does not care for the interior design or finish - and then illustrates his conclusion with shots of the interior of a 2015 37 - totally different boat!
Must be , and looks, cheap to make video with him talking to the camera in his living room interspersed with lifted images from elsewhere. Content at the same low level.
dolabriform
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pvb
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Yes, yet another clueless YouTube vlogger! Just trying to get his viewing numbers up by using the old "Bavaria keel" nonsense. Still, coopec fell for it, unsurprisingly.
The funniest bit I thought was the comment that Bavaria's "fit and finish" was poor. If anything, it's way ahead of most makes.
Neeves
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Way ahead? - does not make it good, it just makes it less poor compared to others.
Jonathan
rogerthebodger
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You called his boat a summer house so you brought summer into the discussion
PaulRainbow
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rogerthebodger
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Yes I do think calling a boat being built in anyone's garden a summer house i very bizarre, let alone being disrespectful especially on a forum dedicated to Practical Boat Owners.
This seems the name of the game these days disrespect anyone who do things different to how you would do them.
pvb
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Have you actually bought a new production boat in the last few years? You might be very surprised by the precision being achieved by modern production processes.
Neeves
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You know perfectly well we have not bought a modern production yacht as I repetitively quote our catamaran when discussing anchoring etc - no need to ask questions to which you know the answer
So no but I am provided with free entry to both the Sydney and Sanctuary Cove Boat shows, which I have attended, both, for the last 10 or 15 years - except last year. I am amazed at the precision with which modern yachts are assembled - its uncanny the way the plastic veneers match so well, that staples are accepted mechanisms to hold drawers together. Personally I prefer to see dovetail joints and an indication yachts are assembled by craftsmen not machines. I'm old fashioned and a bit of a dinosaur and prefer solid wood and not veneer. Modern yachts would put inner city apartments to shame - fabulous design - I wonder how long the veneers last. I expect the interior to last as long as the exterior - so its not seeing a modern yacht, now, but what they will look like in 20 years time. Gel coat has proven to be pretty robust and with care a modern yacht's exterior should stand the test of time and abuse of crew - I'm not so sure of printed plastic veneers and super fast assembly methods.
Jonathan
PaulRainbow
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Yes I do think calling a boat being built in anyone's garden a summer house i very bizarre, let alone being disrespectful especially on a forum dedicated to Practical Boat Owners.
This seems the name of the game these days disrespect anyone who do things different to how you would do them.
You mean like post #1, a clear and blatant troll post ?
Coopecs boat has sat in the garden for over 2 decades and it'll sit there for another 2. He'd be better off digging a hole in the garden and "launching" the boat into the hole, at least it'll be easier to get on and off.
rogerthebodger
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So what is wrong with that it up to Coopec not up to you or anyone else.
The hull of my boat was built in 1978 and had 3 owners before me. I was a shame it was not finished before but in Jan 2005 I moved it to close to my home and finished it off with some labour. It was launched in 2009. Is there anything wrong with that.
Some of us want a custom design and take great pleasure from being a Practical boat owner, using their skills and not a cheque book boat owner.
Tranona
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Veneers have been used for at least 50 years on ply panels which are the basis of internal structures in boats. They last indefinitely if properly coated. "natural" veneers are becoming increasingly difficult and expensive to source, hence the use of manufactured veneers, which use reformed wood that would otherwise be waste. whilst it is true that some manufacturers use questionable construction methods, that is not universal, and the methods used by Bavaria is one of the main reasons for choosing one over direct competitors. Selection of photos illustrate what I mean - the drawers in the table have wood carcasses and CNC machined dovetail joints. Note the perfect shut lines of the locker doors and the extensive use of solid wood trim. If you look at the videos of the factory you will see a great deal of "craftsman" labour used in building the interior - just that it takes place away from the boat and uses precisely machined components rather than relying on individual fitment which is not only wasteful, particularly if done inside the hull, but often results in an imperfect final product. The shelves are add ons by me but using Bavaria supplied solid wood mouldings.
The key to longevity of the interior of a boat is to keep it dry and well ventilated. My last Bavaria I kept for 14 years, 7 on full time charter. The interior was always dry, and despite the heavy use by charterers the only refinishing I had to do was the solid trim around the chart table and galley which are constantly used as hand holds. My current boat is now nearly 6 years old and is indistinguishable from new - indeed when I opened it up last week after nearly 3 months it still had that new boat "aroma".
I am an admirer of older more "craftsman" built boats - until I actually inspect them and see all the downsides of them that show up after 20 or 30 years' use and multiple changes in ownership. You have only to read the many threads on here of people asking advice on how to deal with the myriad problems found on their "new to them" boat. Part of this is due to many such boats being inherently damp - dripping stuffing boxes, poorly sealed windows, deck fittings and chainplates, open anchor lockers draining into the bilges - indeed deep bilges to collect water are often seen as a good thing! Not surprising this time of year to see the regular threads on how to deal with mildew and mould, or water stains on previously lovely teak veneered bulkheads and coahroof sides. Not saying these sort of things don't occur on modern boats, but in my experience, far less frequently.
The only thing that scares me on modern boats is the electrics and electronics, but that is because of my lack of knowledge. On the other hand reliability, at least in the early stages of life seems to be good.
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pvb
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I didn't know that. However, just looking around at boat shows means you won't have had the ownership experience. It's uncanny - everything fits, nothing leaks, there are no creaks or groans, the wiring is neatly done. And, years later, it's just the same. A world apart from the olden days.
Dovetail joints are made by machines these days, not craftsmen!
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