Interesting facts about the AC72...

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Well, I think I've just about got my head round the downwind/adverse tide one after a few cups of tea and much scratching of head!

By John Longley, 1983 America’s Cup winner
After spending a week in San Francisco and having the opportunity to talk to a number of people who have actually sailed the extraordinary AC72s, I have gathered a bit of AC72 trivia to share…

* If you had an engine to power the hydraulics rather than grinders, you could sail the AC72s with 4 people rather than the crew of 11 they now sail with.

* There is really only one trimmer on board and he controls the wing. The helmsman controls the cant and rake of the board with buttons on a control pad in front of him but only has 3 seconds of stored power before he has to “throw bananas” into the grinding pit i.e. ask for more hydraulic power.

* They have seen 47 knots as the top speed so far but expect to see the 50 knot barrier broken in the Cup match.

* The boats go directly downwind 1.8 times faster than the wind. So if you let a balloon go as you went around the top mark you would easily beat it to the bottom mark.

* There is only 4 degrees difference to the apparent wind from going on the wind to running as deep as you can.

* If you lost the hydraulics while the boats were foiling they would be completely uncontrollable and would most likely capsize.

* It is faster to find the strongest adverse current going downwind because the stronger apparent that is then generated translates into more speed than if you were sailing in slack water. (Warning – this takes a bit to get your head around)

* When sailing downwind you look for the puffs in front of you not behind you.

* It is actually quite dry on the boats, unless you make a mistake and come off the foils, as you are flying a couple of metres above the water. Waves have almost no impact on the boat when foiling.

* In strong wind you carry negative camber at the top of the wing to “reef” or de-power the wing.

* All crew carry personal tackle so they can effectively rappel down the netting if the boat capsizes.

* Gennakers are only used below about 8 knots; the jibs only provide about 3% of the lift up wind.

* The foil on the rudder generates about 800 kg of lift with the rest coming from the center board foil to lift the 7 ton yachts clear of the water.

* The centre board foil’s tip comes out of the water so it effectively works like a governor on an engine i.e. as the board generates too much vertical lift it comes out of the water, the area is thus reduced so it goes back down etc until it finds equilibrium.

- See more at: http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2013/08/27/americas-cup-may-know-ac72/#sthash.3VTUZNJS.dpuf
 
* It is faster to find the strongest adverse current going downwind because the stronger apparent that is then generated translates into more speed than if you were sailing in slack water. (Warning – this takes a bit to get your head around)

Scratch, scratch.... Is he talking about the apparent foil speed ? I guess if you dropped the anchor in 10 knots of adverse current, the boat would pop up on the foils.

So, it makes sense to sail into the strongest current to get onto the foils earlier.

Why don't they do this going up wind ? Surely the foils would start to work earlier ?

Interesting stuff ! Thanks
 
I've not been following the AC, just not my type of sailing but a few things worry me about these extraordinary boats, this in particular

If you lost the hydraulics while the boats were foiling they would be completely uncontrollable and would most likely capsize.
While there is some impressive engineering onboard, should the hydraulics fail they basically have a surfboard. Takes all sorts.
 
Scratch, scratch.... Is he talking about the apparent foil speed ? I guess if you dropped the anchor in 10 knots of adverse current, the boat would pop up on the foils.

So, it makes sense to sail into the strongest current to get onto the foils earlier.

Why don't they do this going up wind ? Surely the foils would start to work earlier ?

Interesting stuff ! Thanks

You don't necessarily want to foil upwind...whilst you get more boatspeed, you also get more leeway, so VMG suffers.

As I understand it, the adverse tide thing is more about wind over the wing, not water over the foils. Let's say you are sailing in slack water, zigzagging the angles down to the leeward gate with 90 degree gybes. You are going downwind on stbd gybe, with 20 knots of apparent wind across the wing coming from 45 degrees off your stbd bow (as an example). Suddenly the bit of water you are sailing in starts running at 5 knots back up the course due to tide...you are in effect being forced back, against the wind, making the apparent wind more than the true wind, and what you actually feel on the deck of the cat is an increase in AW, which will also shift forward, so you can bear away and sail a more direct course to the mark.

The increase in wind over the wing (wind force = wind speed squared, so even a couple more kts AW gives loads more horsepower) more than makes up for the foul tide, because the hull drag is so minimal, and you can also point lower, and you are making a truck load of leeway too, which is a good thing going downwind.

I might be wrong, but I think that's how it works...
 
Downwind: If the boat slows by being in a adverse current, the AW will swing aft. They are looking for max AW to sail as deep as possible.

The drag ( and lift) on the foils increases by the square of the speed. If they were sailing at marginal foiling speeds a bit of adverse current would increase the water speed over the foil and the boat would pop up. Try it on your moth. I bet you'd get foiling faster against the current than sailing with the current ! Once up, the (hull) drag falls off massively and they quickly accelerate. I think John Longley means getting foiling ( and staying foiling) is vital and if a bit of adverse current gets you on the foils, then it's worth it.

Once foiling the foils on those cats will cause a huge amount of drag because they are surface piercing. Witness all that spray ! The Moth is far more efficient with it's submerged foils ; it barely marks the water when foiling. The AC72 need end gates on their main foils but then it wouldn't be possible to raise and lower them. They could fit one on the foil tip which would stop the tip ventilating as it approaches the surface.

I would have though that if there was plenty of breeze to foil, looking for a beneficial current would be the way to go, just to reduce the water speed ( drag/lift) over the foils.

By the way, John Longley also confirmed to me how these cats self-regulate the ride height. The main foil is "L" shaped. When the windward hull lifts, the leeward foil tip points upwards. As the foil lifts this foil tip breaks the surface and looses lift, hence, dropping the foil down again. The high drag of these surface piercing foils can be doubled when the foil tip pierces the surface as well as the main part of the board. Slowing the boat a fraction to stop the foil tip piercing may be the fastest way to sail these things.
 
See the pic below ( Credit Yachts and Yachting and Giles Martin-Raget). I've drawn a red box showing the main foil tip turbulence on NZ. I doubt if the foil tip is even piercing the surface but it has ventilated causing terrible drag. I know it's a snap shot but Oracle, ahead, looks lower with no foil tip turbulence.

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By the way, John Longley also confirmed to me how these cats self-regulate the ride height. The main foil is "L" shaped. When the windward hull lifts, the leeward foil tip points upwards. As the foil lifts this foil tip breaks the surface and looses lift, hence, dropping the foil down again. The high drag of these surface piercing foils can be doubled when the foil tip pierces the surface as well as the main part of the board. Slowing the boat a fraction to stop the foil tip piercing may be the fastest way to sail these things.

Don't forget that these things were not supposed to foil. The guys that wrote the rules thought they'd written foiling out by preventing T foils on the daggerboards, and preventing any moving surfaces on the main foil, and by ensuring that the rudder T foils had to be fixed before the start.

Of course one of the architects of the rule then got hired by the Kiwi's design team, and hey presto we have lift off!

So I'm sure that if you said to a designer "I want a 72 foot wingsailed foiling cat" it wouldn't work in this way, it would have T foils and adjustable foils exactly like the moth. But what we see here is a pretty clever way of getting round the rules.

I'm also pretty sure that if the American and his 10 friends win, the rules for the next cycle will allow foiling from the outset, and we'll see proper foiling controls and much smoother foiling.
 
Don't forget that these things were not supposed to foil. The guys that wrote the rules thought they'd written foiling out by preventing T foils on the daggerboards, and preventing any moving surfaces on the main foil, and by ensuring that the rudder T foils had to be fixed before the start.

Of course one of the architects of the rule then got hired by the Kiwi's design team, and hey presto we have lift off!

Ah, that explains a lot. Thanks. To be honest, I've only recently started to take any interest in this AC72 stuff. Personally, I think the races are too short. They need another beat. At the moment, it's about who can get their nose ahead at the start, then it's a bit of a, albeit nippy, procession.
 
* In strong wind you carry negative camber at the top of the wing to “reef” or de-power the wing.

a-ha, we eventually got there :)


This is a paper I had when studying yacht architecture many years ago: it basically starts from the "elliptical distribution of lift" theory for minimal induced drag theory (spitfire wing etc), when the additional constraint of a given maximum righting moment is added, the best distribution of lift is not elliptical any more, but follows the S-shapes on the right.
This means that depending on the profile shape, conditions etc it can be more efficient to use the upper portion of the sail counter-cambered to create reverse lift, hence decreasing the sail total heeling moment and eventually having a faster boat



I just checked the reference, Journal of fluid mechanics, ***1978*** :D

http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=379786


trig.jpg
 
Amazing machines. Thanks for posting that.

* It is faster to find the strongest adverse current going downwind because the stronger apparent that is then generated translates into more speed than if you were sailing in slack water. (Warning – this takes a bit to get your head around)

Makes sense because

* The boats go directly downwind 1.8 times faster than the wind.

So if there was no wind at all, and 10 knots of adverse tide, they could still make 18 knots of way against the tide.
 
* There is really only one trimmer on board and he controls the wing. The helmsman controls the cant and rake of the board with buttons on a control pad in front of him but only has 3 seconds of stored power before he has to “throw bananas” into the grinding pit i.e. ask for more hydraulic power.

I would have though that even 3 seconds of stored power was in serious danger of breaching the class rule 19.2(e). For those interested in the technical aspects of the hydraulics and the interpretation of the rule I found this article fascinating. http://www.sailingworld.com/racing/americas-cup/americas-cup-34-the-power-of-oil?src=related&con=outbrain&obref=obinsite

"Component X" all sounds a bit James Bond doesn't it? But then Larry Ellison would make a damn good Blofeld!!
 
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a-ha, we eventually got there :)


This is a paper I had when studying yacht architecture many years ago: it basically starts from the "elliptical distribution of lift" theory for minimal induced drag theory (spitfire wing etc), when the additional constraint of a given maximum righting moment is added, the best distribution of lift is not elliptical any more, but follows the S-shapes on the right.
This means that depending on the profile shape, conditions etc it can be more efficient to use the upper portion of the sail counter-cambered to create reverse lift, hence decreasing the sail total heeling moment and eventually having a faster boat



I just checked the reference, Journal of fluid mechanics, ***1978*** :D

http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=379786


trig.jpg

I wonder if they Wood and Tan ever built a boat to test their calculations ? If you extend their thinking, it should be possible to have a yacht without a keel. Just increase the amount of negative camber. I doubt it would sail very well because of the reverse drive from the negative camber. Taken to a certain point and the yacht will sail backwards.

The OP mentioned reefing and de-powering the wing. This I get. They seem to be able to 'feather' the top of the wing. This kills the drive and healing forces at the top where they are not needed in stronger winds as well as minimising drag. I'd like to see a pic of the applied negative camber.
 
Although not directly to do with the mechanics of sailing, can someone tell me what the difference is between the roles of strategist and tactician ?
 
Although not directly to do with the mechanics of sailing, can someone tell me what the difference is between the roles of strategist and tactician ?

Strategist - "The tide and the wind suggest we should go left"
Tactician - "The other boat has gone right, I want to cover them".

So the strategist is sailing against the course, and the tactician against the other boat.

On most boats this would be one person, but where you've got the head count it makes sense to separate them so you don't get so bogged down in tactical thinking you forget the tidal advantages or vice versa.
 
So if there was no wind at all, and 10 knots of adverse tide, they could still make 18 knots of way against the tide.

No. 1.8 x zero wind speed = zero boat speed and no headway. They would just drift with the tide.

But your comment was a joke, right ?
 
No. 1.8 x zero wind speed = zero boat speed and no headway. They would just drift with the tide.

But your comment was a joke, right ?

No, he's right.... It's difficult to get your head around but he's 100% right.

Think about it some more.
 
* It is faster to find the strongest adverse current going downwind because the stronger apparent that is then generated translates into more speed than if you were sailing in slack water. (Warning – this takes a bit to get your head around)


I thought about this again. It's the same reason aircraft take off and land against the wind. They can get airborne at a lower speed over ground. Same with the AC72. As soon as it is foiling, they dramatically increase their speed and the AW over the wing, meaning they can sail lower. Once foiling and zipping along, they would be fastest in the strongest beneficial current since this reduces the 'apparent' water speed over the foils and lowers the drag ( so long as they stay foiling).
 
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