Incident on Loch Fyne?

But somehow (no idea who pays) MAIB do often get boats back to the surface to aid investigations.

There are a number of issues already that mean getting the boat back might help answer them:

- A new crane fitted recently apparently

- The boat capsized but didn't completely sink immediately. The CalMac Ferry got a line on board. The line then broke.

- Distress message was raised by the guy in the water being picked up by another fishing boat. That might have be 10 seconds after the accident or 10 minutes. Where is the float free EPIRB? Maybe it did activate, but it hasn't been mentioned.
 
adwuk said:
The update on this tragic event is that 2 men are still missing, and presumed to be with the boat that is now 140m down on the seabed. The cost of raising the boat will be significant, and the directly affected families naturally want their boys back as soon as possible. The Clyde Fishermen's Trust is raising money to assist, and if you would like to contribute, please follow the link: https://www.clydefishermenstrust.com/the-nancy-glen-campaign
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Thanks for the link. Very tragic - and unfortunately, as those of us who sail there know, very deep waters.

Made a small contribution to a worthy cause
 
ShinyShoe said:
But somehow (no idea who pays) MAIB do often get boats back to the surface to aid investigations.

There are a number of issues already that mean getting the boat back might help answer them:

- A new crane fitted recently apparently

- The boat capsized but didn't completely sink immediately. The CalMac Ferry got a line on board. The line then broke.

- Distress message was raised by the guy in the water being picked up by another fishing boat. That might have be 10 seconds after the accident or 10 minutes. Where is the float free EPIRB? Maybe it did activate, but it hasn't been mentioned.
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I feel sure they will recover the boat, as you say, there are questions to be answered.
I guess the MAIB may have a recovery fund or maybe they have a deal with insurers if there are fatalities as the the liability insurer will want to know the answers too but generally it is all down to whether it is cost effective for insurers to get involved.
 
I believe that the real issue is the depth of the water. Around The Channel depths are 30-50m maybe a few more. 1nm East of Barmore Island in Loch Fyne the charted depth is 140m. Getting divers down there, and equipment needed to recover 40' boats, is quite different. The associated costs are huge.
 
adwuk said:
I believe that the real issue is the depth of the water. Around The Channel depths are 30-50m maybe a few more. 1nm East of Barmore Island in Loch Fyne the charted depth is 140m. Getting divers down there, and equipment needed to recover 40' boats, is quite different. The associated costs are huge.
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I would have thought they would recover it with an ROV?
 
I would have thought that if you're dead, the bottom of Loch Fyne is better than most places to be buried?
It seems a bit like messing with a war grave ship?
 
If your dead I don't suppose it maters to you anymore where you lay.
It Matter's to the living. Left behind. The term "Lost at Sea" leaves a hole in addition to the loss of life.

What matters more is finding out why two young men went to work and did not return home and trying to prevent it happening again.
Knowing or finding out and proving why this particular boat went down is important. It's Important to the families of those who were lost.

Its important to the fishermen who work on similar vessels and their families even if they don't know it.

It always sad when someone does not come home.

As a general policy I find its best not to speculate on a tragic accident until the facts are known. Particularly since I have been wrong more often than I have been right.
Unfortunately I have known a small fishing vessel, where crew have been lost after a capsize. I know the Skipper. I knew some of his crew. I "knew" or strongly suspected why. The TSB confirmed why.

Decades later, I find it very frustrating when similar incidents occur and reoccur. Every time I get a chance to speak to TC about the requirements for small fishing vessels. Owners and their lobbyists speak louder. A nightmare of dejavue all-over again.

These accidents are avoidable they should not happen. Every one is one to many. If it cost a lot for the boat to be raised. It will be money well spent.
 
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Uricanejack said:
These accidents are avoidable they should not happen. Every one is one to many. If it cost a lot for the boat to be raised. It will be money well spent.
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Without taking issue with any of what you wrote, the reported cost of raising the Solway Harvester from 35m was £1m. Crowd funding is not going to raise that sort of money.
 
A single-handed prawn fisher (9m long) sank south of Insh Island, Firth of Lorne, in 2013 and the fisherman was never found. It's in about 80m.

5 years on, the family have been pressing for the wreck to be recovered; they suspect it was unseaworthy. The sailor was not the owner.

The FAI (Scottish for Inquest) has just been adjourned so the wreck can be examined. It's not clear if it will be raised or examined in situ but it's taken a long time to get round to it.
 
JumbleDuck said:
Without taking issue with any of what you wrote, the reported cost of raising the Solway Harvester from 35m was £1m. Crowd funding is not going to raise that sort of money.
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No your right crowd funding wont raise enough. Public pressure requesting an answer may have an effect.
 
cpedw said:
A single-handed prawn fisher (9m long) sank south of Insh Island, Firth of Lorne, in 2013 and the fisherman was never found. It's in about 80m.

5 years on, the family have been pressing for the wreck to be recovered; they suspect it was unseaworthy. The sailor was not the owner.

The FAI (Scottish for Inquest) has just been adjourned so the wreck can be examined. It's not clear if it will be raised or examined in situ but it's taken a long time to get round to it.
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I wasn't aware of the incident. Hopefully they will get some answers.
 
lw395 said:
I would have thought that if you're dead, the bottom of Loch Fyne is better than most places to be buried?
It seems a bit like messing with a war grave ship?
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The local fishermen do not think that, again today, Monday, all the Tarbert boats plus some from Campbeltown, (11 in total) are in a line motoring up and down the loch. There has not been much fishing done since it happened.
 
adwuk said:
JD - that is a whole new level of inappropriateness.
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Not really. It explains why searches well after a sinking can still bring results, and why raising the boat may not be necessary. You'll note that I didn't quote the content and warned that it was distasteful. I imagine that the fishermen who are out searching for their lost comrades know just what they are looking for.
 
wully1 said:
Im pretty sure a half decent work class ROV is more than capable of attaching lifting bags to get the boat to the surface.
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At eye-watering expense unless one just happens to be around the corner.
At risk of achieving very little.
 
There was an ROV en-scene on the first night. I don't know of its capabilities but they had visibility issues. Perhaps they will have improved now, but I suspect not by much. the advantage of a human diver would be they can work by feel


JD - recovering the casualties doesn't recover the boat and explain what happened to prevent recurrence.
 
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