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[Moonbeam]

Despite much scanning, I have not seen this one

I wish I had alerted you to it sooner. Sorry I did not.

It is interesting to see the engines are identical, which does increase confidence these would have been new on both this and the other one I am interested in.

That's what I thought, so the engines are probably the Spanish era/built Fords!?

 

[superheat6k]

You should ask Winchester Marine about a pair of 2722e.

Thanks Ben - I have sent them an enquiry.

 

[burgundyben]

Not sure about less smoke with the Dovers, I'm looking at getting the de-smoke kit on one to see if they do make a worthwhile difference.

Fresh Dovers should start instantly and idle fairly clean from cold, perhaps not quite as clean as a Cummins B series or a Perkins Phaser, but most folk would find a decent Dover acceptable.

Everything I've heard about the Lancing de-smoke kit isnt encouraging.

 

[superheat6k]

I wish I had alerted you to it sooner. Sorry I did not.

That's what I thought, so the engines are probably the Spanish era/built Fords!?

The Broker has called me to confirm she is now deposit paid, awaiting survey and sea trial. So if it does fall through he has my contact details. So you never know I might owe you a beer yet !

Should I end up with the other one I do have a considerable fund to get her to the target condition, as presented by this beautiful example. In many regards I do relish the challenge, but the starting price needs to be right.

 

[burgundyben]

I wish I had alerted you to it sooner. Sorry I did not.

That's what I thought, so the engines are probably the Spanish era/built Fords!?

I can see thats the case in the pics.

 

[Robin]

Yes, just read that in the paper. Anyway his party want 50% of their MPs to be female perhaps because they don't look for tractors or watch pornography. However several of the tractor drivers yesterday were female including a couple driving new style huge John Deeres.

What gender I wonder is a 50% female, perhaps someone from her majesty's opposition can define.... or perhaps not.

 

[henryf]

Can I start by saying what an incredible wealth of knowledge there is on the forum. I’ve just binge read the thread and it was great to see knowledge flowing freely.

In terms of the purchase and price there will be a considerable difference between the boat shown as deposit taken and the boat in question. We sell Porsches and whilst the right car can be worth a king’s ransom if something’s not quite correct the price can change drastically. The top 5% can be worth twice as much as the 50th percentile .

The deposit taken boat looks like a well maintained thing that will have wide appeal and several elements which will hook in a potential buyer. The boat in this thread appeals to a different kind of buyer, someone prepared to take on a challenge with a host of unknown risks.

For that reason I would simply bid a figure you think is right. Be sensible, realise that with the work done (to a known standard) the value will likely increase and source parts well. A re-engined old boat will have an appeal for quite a few years moving forwards.

But ultimately there aren’t as many people looking to take on a project as there are people looking to buy a turn key boat with a few superficial improvements to taste. It is likely the buyer will get offers but they will all end up failing when the enormity of the task reveals its self.

Put in a price and then leave it to the broker and buyer to discuss.

 

[burgundyben]

Quite right Henrietta.

My observation from brokering older motorboats is that sun shining, bright varnish, turn key ready to go we'll get the money.

Anything wrong or need fixing the market will crucify the seller.

 

[superheat6k]

Sadly my interest in purchasing the somewhat neglected CHB ended today.

To replace one engine, even with second-hand would be ~ £10k each side, and even an overhaul of the original engines would be ~ £6k each side. At some point it becomes not only about realistic boat value, but with a neglected example, also the sheer effort (and real calendar time) getting the boat into a decent condition again will take.

This is what I observed in the Port heat exchanger inlet. Only ~ 10% of the cooler is available to allow seawater to flow. I reckon these 1970's engines are done for.

This is what neglect looks like.

However, on a brighter note I have seen my likely next purchase today, which is at the opposite end of the scale, but I will be taking a trip down to Cornwall tomorrow to view a similar craft that is in pristine condition (according to the broker). I will report further when a deal is completely done.

For anyone interested both candidates are also trawlers.

 

[Mr Googler]

It is crazy when 1 hour of time, a barrel, a bilge pump, bit of hose and 5 litres of Rydlyme every few years at a cost of £100 for the lot would easily stop things get that bad!

best of luck with the new purchase. Look forward to the thread!

 

[Bajansailor]

If only someone made outboard powered trawler style boats Trevor!

As you know, I like to go boating rather than fiddle with inboards (and stern drives.....)

The TT 35 built by Great Harbour Yachts in the USA looks like a trawler (sort of), and is powered by a pair of 60 hp outboard motors.
Here is one for sale.
2019 Great Harbour TT35 Trawler for sale - YachtWorld

Sadly it appears like the Builders are no longer in existence, as their website does not come up.
https://www.greatharbourtrawlers.com/

Edit - disregard the above link for Great Harbour - they are still going strong, as can be seen in this link kindly supplied by @Croftie in post #114 below. (I wonder how that 's' got into the http?)
Great Harbour Trawlers: America's go-anyhere liveaboards

 

[Mr Googler]

The TT 35 built by Great Harbour Yachts in the USA looks like a trawler (sort of), and is powered by a pair of 60 hp outboard motors.
Here is one for sale.
2019 Great Harbour TT35 Trawler for sale - YachtWorld

Sadly it appears like the Builders are no longer in existence, as their website does not come up.
https://www.greatharbourtrawlers.com/

Not sure that would do well in the Solent slop

 

[Bajansailor]

I was looking through my trawlers folder, and I found this catalogue for a 34' trawler built by CHB in the 70's.
I also found a price list for the Marine Trader 34 (which is very similar - I have a catalogue somewhere for it) - in 1975 the price of a new boat in the USA with double cabin and flying bridge was US$ 41,500 with a single 120 hp diesel, and US$ 45,900 with twin 80 hp diesels.

The last attachment is a GA drawing for the larger 39' version.

 

[Croftie]

Sadly it appears like the Builders are no longer in existence, as their website does not come up.
https://www.greatharbourtrawlers.com/

Try this link - Great Harbour Trawlers: America's go-anyhere liveaboards - error in the https

 

[superheat6k]

After considering the state of the heat exchangers I have figured this boat will be a severe financial risk should as I expect it requires replacement engines. Even re-manufactured slightly newer engines, if available, would be a £30k + job.

So I have now withdrawn any further interest. But if anyone on here is interested she is laying at Lymington Yacht Haven.

I have today placed an offer on something completely at the other end of the scale - if my bid proceeds to a successful sale (which just lately I seem to have developed a phobia against !!!) I will report further when the deal is done.

 

[Mr Googler]

Don’t need details…..but what’s the other end of the scale? Not new surely ?

 

[superheat6k]

Don’t need details…..but what’s the other end of the scale? Not new surely ?

Now this year and since i sold my lovely, but less suitable for me, Corvette, I have had two false starts - price agreed, contract signed and deposit paid, and fear I am developing something of a reputation for not proceeding to the end.

So this time I am keeping stumb until I have something positive to report.

I will say same theme, not new, but definitely not a basket case.

 

[Mr Googler]

Now this year and since i sold my lovely, but less suitable for me, Corvette, I have had two false starts - price agreed, contract signed and deposit paid, and fear I am developing something of a reputation for not proceeding to the end.

So this time I am keeping stumb until I have something positive to report.

I will say same theme, not new, but definitely not a basket case.

Good luck with it! What’s meant to be and all that. A fool and his money is soon parted…..ask @BruceK ?

 

[BruceK]

I concurr. You've made a bit of a living off it with your projects. Never ceases to amaze me how much people will pay for fresh sticky back vinyls and boot dye

 

[Robin]

Don’t need details…..but what’s the other end of the scale? Not new surely ?

Not Boubas's Beneteau surely?

We lived on a Chien Hwa built 47 ft trawler in the USA and whilst we loved it dearly it did have some dubious bits. Ours had flybridge drains and others that culminated in S/S manifolds leading to above water skin fittings, great idea but lousy quality stainless that pinholed and totally inaccessible behind the engines to replace oh and multiple drainage hoses from flybridge that went everywhere under linings and were cable tied tightly in place impossible to extract and replace. internal woodwork was fabulous in teak mind. Engines on ours were Cummins that were just fine . We also had to replace all the toilet hoses throughout and the aircon pumps.