Ignorant yellow welly Chelsea Yotties in Fowey.

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Bearing in mind that the girlfriend and I tend to look like mildly scruffy locals wherever we go-and the 'SouthWest Transport' waterproof coat I was wearing to the un-knowing would pretty much confirm it:-

While we were in Fowey I encountered quite a few 'Leftover Yellow Welly Brigade Yotties' from regatta week and they were without question the rudest and most up their own ar$e people I've ever met. Their behaviour on the water was just as ignorant and rude as well.

I had a yacht gybe without warning for no apparent reason right across my bows and the only possible course of avoiding action I could take was slamming into full reverse to avoid him, (I was passing astern of him by 30+ feet at the time).This particular member of the yellow welly brigade was in the harbour at the time under full sail and had already asserted his right of way over an entire dinghy race going the same way as me(who were quite well out of the way at the other side of the harbour) causing chaos amongst them. He was moving at more than the harbour speed limit and I was doing 4 knots attempting not to hit the racers with any wash-and I was over 100 yards from them.

In short,he was under full sail through a crowded harbour when he really should have been under power. His gybe put him into the centre of the dinghy race again too-causing even more chaos- while he had a full 200 yards of clear water ahead of him that wasn't in a wind shadow from anywhere.

On several occasions whilst passing astern of sailing dinghies also doing considerably more than the 6 knot limit I had them decide that they MUST occupy the same bit of water I was in by tacking a full 180 degrees-then them swearing at me because I had to throttle right up for a second or so to avoid being rammed and my wash knocked the wind out of their sails.

I am an experienced raggie as well as a regular powerboater and there was no reason for them doing this apart from sheer bloodymindedness.I'm fully aware they have right of way and was trying my hardest to keep well away/anticipate their manouevres but using right of way as a sledgehammer just to p1ss people off is downright ignorant. Where do these idiots get off? Rule 17 Paragraph A of the colregs...

The locals (yotties/dinghy sailers etc etc) were absolute stars and their behaviour was exemplary in comparison to the clowns from outside.

For Christs sake, If someone under power is trying hard to keep as far out of the way as possible then where's the mileage in behaving like a total wannker towards them?
 
I wouldn't say that the yacht should have been under power, but from your account his actions don't seem to have been thought through properly, and as you said he had 200 yards with no wind shadow then he was obviously ok to be sailing.

If only all boats under power were considerate enough to try and minimise the wash for dinghies/smaller yachts... it would make sailing so much more pleasurable for me.

Out of interest... were you in a yacht under power or a mobo?
 
I was in a RIB at the time and any more than 4 knots produces that horrendous 'half-planing' wash that really knocks the wind out of people's sails and smashes hulls into pontoons so I stick to tickover anywhere near any other watercraft.

He was parallel to the mouth of Pont Pill in the harbour at the time and about a 35' yacht. Common sense in the conditions would have said at least drop the jib to slow down a bit-I personally would have lowered my sails outside the harbour and come in under power considering the amount of dinghies and other traffic he'd already come through.
 
This was also on RIB.net if i am not mistaken. Sounds a bit rantish. Salcombe Harbour is a tricky place for yachts, we sailed to salcombe a few years ago and dumped the sails comming in, but drawing 9 feet we where a little constrained by our giraffe!
 
Oh I see.... I had assumed he was leaving the harbour and would have been OK, but coming into harbour and that far in to be opposite Pont Mill - well now I tend to agree more, I would have had the sails down by then, even if it meant I would have more manouvrability for myself.
 
Yeah it was on ribnet-I think I'm entitled to a bit of a rant though, the guy nearly killed me. I had to go astern so hard there was water coming in over my transom. I'm surprised he didn't run down some of the dinghy racers either.

Fowey harbour is somewhat deeper than Salcombe though- nearly 50 feet up by the clay docks.
 
Well seeing as you are choosing to use the crap old yellow welly brigade title to label general sailors I cannot really see this post going anywhere, if he is a decent sized yacht then 30 feet is not much room if you are up his chuff. What space do you leave people on the motorway in front of you?
 
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Lets not get carried away....

Aren't ribs supposed to be really manouverable? Couldn't you have just turned sharply instead?
 
Have to say as a past RIB owner that you've some way to go in your learning curve. You were at the helm of the most manuoverable boat I've ever handled, what was your problem?
 
I'm not using the yellow welly brigade title to label general raggies- Most proper yotties are considerate and have some degree of common sense rather than acting as though they are above everyone.They usually see it as a way of life not an accoutrement to a large bank balance too. The Yellow Welly brigade usually talk with a pronounced plum in their mouth and act as though they're something special.
 
Not really-the tide was going out full bore at the time and I was being carried with it. Any manoeuvre would have taken too long to complete (apart from going full astern)

I gave him as much room as I could-I was about to cross his wake to his stern at the time and the dinghy race he'd just scattered weren't far astern of him either. I didn't want to screw them up any more-they were having enough trouble after he ran through them as it was. I wasn't about to cross his bows for obvious reasons.
 
Single engine, no cutaway on the transom. They ARE very manoevreable-but not in the same way as an inflatable dinghy and more so at speed-you have no 'grip' from the hull at low speeds like you do with a keel or daggerboard. Wheel steering via the outboard saddle has its disadvantages-mostly being that you lose a fair bit of travel on the steering compared with a tiller outboard. I can still spin it in circles on the spot-but it takes judicious use of forward/reverse and a lot longer.

The large self-draining ballast tank in the hull means the transom sits fairly low in the water while at rest.
 
I'm confused.... in what direction were you & him travelling - in or out of the river?

You have lost me when mentioning that you would drop your sails before ENTERING the river, but in another post say the tide was going out full bore and being taken with the tide - which if it was a problem would have meant you were travelling out of the river.

For my benefit, please clarify what happened.
 
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I was heading out of the river at the time, he was heading in. The dinghy race was heading towards the harbour entrance too.

Had I been heading in the same general direction as him I would have simply got well out of the way and let him past.


had I been sailing his yacht then I would have dropped my sails before heading upriver.
 
I see... much clearer now

So how far away from the yacht were you before he gybed?

Its getting like more and more like cross examination now /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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Maybe 40'-no less, probably more. I was aiming to pass 30-40' astern of him-or as far astern as possible whilst still avoiding the dinghies which were strung out in a line to my port side and heading the same direction as I was. I'd estimate his water speed at around 7 knots.

I know he saw me....The skipper was looking straight at me.
 
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