If you were buying a cruiser...

The Ikea-style really puts me off. Apart from personal taste, I suspect it won't survive the years anywhere near as well as the traditional darker teak & mahogany interiors. The value of a ten-year-old boat is bound to be affected by having a shabby worn interior.
 
pvb said:
If you were buying a cruiser, say 32-37ft, would you look at the latest generation of Beneteau/Jeanneau/Bavaria with their stark rectangular light-coloured Ikea-style interiors, or would you look for a recent(ish) previous generation model, with cosy rounded settees and darker furnishings? More importantly, if you were looking to buy today, but wanted to sell in say 5 years' time, which style would be more desirable in 2019?
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I would go for neither. In that size range, I would go for a Pogo 10.50 http://www.pogostructures.com/en/cruising-sailboats/pogo-1050/

It is interesting that you look at the desirability in 5 years' time as "more important" than the attractiveness of the boat to you today. Personally I would not want to step aboard a boat for the next five years thinking, "I could have got something that I liked more, but this one will get me a few £k more when I sell." I think you buy a boat to enjoy, and if there is a cost to that then so be it.

I would still go with the Pogo. If you increased the size I would go for a Pogo 12.50.
 
pvb said:
If you were buying a cruiser, say 32-37ft, would you look at the latest generation of Beneteau/Jeanneau/Bavaria with their stark rectangular light-coloured Ikea-style interiors, or would you look for a recent(ish) previous generation model, with cosy rounded settees and darker furnishings? More importantly, if you were looking to buy today, but wanted to sell in say 5 years' time, which style would be more desirable in 2019?[/QUOTE

I have a prejudice for the style and finish of the older generation Beneteau...... and I have one for sale. PM sent.
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PeterR said:
I don't think length has much to do with it. Its cockpit width that matters.
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Another pet hate of mine I'm afraid!

Huge wide sterns...to my eye they make the boat shape look unbalanced and if I need than easy an access to the dinghy I doubt I'd be fit enough to climb into it- and out of it at the other end...

These boats are designed for lounging about in a Mediterranean harbour, not hacking about in chilly northern waters which is why I sold my Benny- got fed up being wet/cold/wind blasted sailing somewhere nice and on a lot of days being unable to see the nice view from down below when I got there.

Horses for courses.

I like that Arcona BTW.
 
OR4751 said:
I agree.
But never mind - no doubt Tranona will be around shortly to show us the error of our ways. :rolleyes:
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Ah well, if he buys a modern boat he won't have to consider replacing a rotten deck. Just remind how much your "quality" boat has cost you to get it into usable condition.
 
pvb said:
If you were buying a cruiser, say 32-37ft, would you look at the latest generation of Beneteau/Jeanneau/Bavaria with their stark rectangular light-coloured Ikea-style interiors, or would you look for a recent(ish) previous generation model, with cosy rounded settees and darker furnishings? More importantly, if you were looking to buy today, but wanted to sell in say 5 years' time, which style would be more desirable in 2019?
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If most of my sailing was to be in cold waters with average grey British weather, then the warmth and cosiness of the interior would be a plus point. My own yacht, the US made Sabre, is wonderfully warm and welcoming, very much in the HR mould.
However if my sailing was in tropical or Mediterranean waters, then a light open decor would be far preferable.

There seems to be some confusion about the durability of interior fittings. Just because today's style is for "Ikea" flatpack, there's no reason this is any less durable than the stuff of twenty years ago. Decent fitted woodwork has always been expensive and remains one of the key distinguishing factors.
 
Tranona said:
There are sound reasons for twin wheels on many modern boats. Once you have used them in the environment for which they were designed you might appreciate that.
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I understand their function and the design reasoning, but would never buy a boat with them. I did ask a manufacture if they would build a new "old" design 40 with a single wheel rather than their new 39.9 with two and the answer was yes. :)
 
wully1 said:
Another pet hate of mine I'm afraid!

Huge wide sterns...to my eye they make the boat shape look unbalanced and if I need than easy an access to the dinghy I doubt I'd be fit enough to climb into it- and out of it at the other end...

These boats are designed for lounging about in a Mediterranean harbour, not hacking about in chilly northern waters
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Just got back from a charter on an 18 month old Bavaria 45. The wide stern has been tackled by twin wheels and twin rudders and I was surprised how well she sailed and handled under power. I can't see how they would get a single wheel to work in that cockpit; it would be huge and completely block access to the bathing platform.

My biggest gripes were inadequate water and battery capacity for the area where we were sailing (no marinas in the Grenadines and no solar panels or wind generator). The shallow, uncomfortable cockpit and poor saloon seating were not much of a concern in an area where most of the crew were spending most of the time sunbathing on deck, but would be unacceptable in home waters. The interior finish was very much in the IKEA kitchen class; fine for a charter but I have serious doubts about how well it will last.
 
The problem with twin wheels on boats much less than 45 foot is that designers do not recognise that the primary purpose of a modern yacht is as a moveable platform for swimming, eating and sleeping! When shopping for a boat, my first test is to confirm that I can comfortably lay full length in the cockpit and there is a convenient surface close at hand to take my glass of chilled wine and dish of olives - very few modern boats at under 45 feet with twin wheels can meet that test. If it fails, then there is no point in looking at the rest of the boat. The Beneteau Sense range passes with flying colours - the cockpit makes up approximately 25% of the boat....
 
Resolution said:
If most of my sailing was to be in cold waters with average grey British weather, then the warmth and cosiness of the interior would be a plus point. My own yacht, the US made Sabre, is wonderfully warm and welcoming, very much in the HR mould.
However if my sailing was in tropical or Mediterranean waters, then a light open decor would be far preferable.
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I'm not convinced that the traditional brown wood interior is particularly cosy. If it's grey and grimbly outside, do you really want the inside to be dark too?

Kindred Spirit was so small as to not really have much interior joinery, but the ceiling on the hull sides was lightish cedar. Ariam is all American cherry inside, and (judging by what's revealed by removing old fittings) has faded to be even lighter than when new. I like it. She's no 21st-century Mediterranean swim platform.

The look I most like, which I'd have if I were commissioning my own design and build, is pine tongue-and-groove painted white or very light cream, with edging and trim milled from solid hardwood (perhaps sapele) and oiled. Add a couple of oil lamps to supplement the LEDs, some nice fabrics, and plenty of pictures and other (bolted down) souvenirs and nick-knacks and I think you have something very cosy and homely indeed.

Pete
 
DJE said:
Just got back from a charter on an 18 month old Bavaria 45. The wide stern has been tackled by twin wheels and twin rudders and I was surprised how well she sailed and handled under power. I can't see how they would get a single wheel to work in that cockpit; it would be huge and completely block access to the bathing platform.
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I've seen reviews of a few very modern yachts that had a single ordinary-sized wheel on a swinging pedestal so you take it across with you when you tack. No idea how it works in practice. And yet another vulnerability, of course...

Mike.
 
johnalison said:
Proper yachts have tillers. Even a Luffe forty something I went on last year had one.
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I do like tillers, but they're not really compatible with our high, well-protected centre-ish cockpit.

The same boat with the alternative deck moulding (more open cockpit, no cabin right in the stern) does have a tiller.

Pete
 
maby said:
The trouble with a tiller is that it really does not fit in with an instrument panel and MFD GPS which most people expect these days.
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...and which assumes that the helmsman is also the skipper and navigator, which is often not true on my boat. I put the plotter/radar and AIS displays at the front of the cockpit where everyone can see them.

Pete
 
maby said:
The problem with twin wheels on boats much less than 45 foot is that designers do not recognise that the primary purpose of a modern yacht is as a moveable platform for swimming, eating and sleeping! When shopping for a boat, my first test is to confirm that I can comfortably lay full length in the cockpit and there is a convenient surface close at hand to take my glass of chilled wine and dish of olives - very few modern boats at under 45 feet with twin wheels can meet that test. If it fails, then there is no point in looking at the rest of the boat. The Beneteau Sense range passes with flying colours - the cockpit makes up approximately 25% of the boat....
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How do you stop the midgies landing in your wine?
 
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