Oldhairy
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My apologies, the Swedish text in my post is a quote from post 8 which in turn is from the Swedish authorities, The bit in English ,apart from the conclusion, is NOT an opinion but a free translation of this quote.
If you are going to Sweden in 2015
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My apologies, the Swedish text in my post is a quote from post 8 which in turn is from the Swedish authorities, The bit in English ,apart from the conclusion, is NOT an opinion but a free translation of this quote.
BabaYaga
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Sorry, but that translation was a bit misleading.
Should be something like: "...is the fact that it is precisely urine that contains..." (just is not always = just)
Also, regarding the new law from April 1st: The fact that "bucket and chuck it" is not covered BY THIS LAW does not make it a legal practice. Doing so is already illegal by other bits of legislation.
BurnitBlue
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I believe that the bucket and chuck it issue is because to make it a law would require the contents of the bucket to be legally defined. It is obviously OK to chuck a bucket of fresh or sea water overboard. Define sewage in a bucket not leaving loopholes. For instance what to do with cat litter or even Seagull droppings. Must they be scraped off the deck and put down the toilet so they end up in the holding tank?
Leaving te bucket contents away from legal nonsense is good sense.
Leaving te bucket contents away from legal nonsense is good sense.
Daydream believer
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Bearing in mind the size of boat that can actually get there from UK waters i would have thought the easy way would be to buy a portapottie & keep it in the heads. Boats of that size would possibly have enough room. The cost is not that excessive & they are a little better than bucket & chuckit. ( having used both)
Oldhairy
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Indeed, your translation is spot on. As I mentioned in my post my Swedish is very rusty and it came with a warning.
jerrytug
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So what size of boat can "actually get there" please enlighten me?
Neil_Y
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Wow, when I started this I never thought it would be more than useful information for cruisers! not a full scale debate.
And size of boat to get to Sweden? it's allmost day/coastal sailing from the UK so a wayfarer would work, or an open boat with a cuddy? I'd take an F18. In Sweden right now and my feelings when cruising the islands in a 40' yacht (which has no toilet) is that you pull over at the next island and dig a hole, find a tree. If you want to stay on the boat get a holding tank if you are in coastal waters. You have to remember that there is very little movement of water on the Swedish East coast, which is why it warms up so much in the Summer. Keep it as clean as you possibly can. Well that's my view...
Daydream believer
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Ignoring the mad few in Wayfarers I would have thought it a bit harder than just the sort of sailing that the term" day/Coastal" sailing conjures up
From the UK it is really a major trip with lots of navigating & planning. I am not so sure about day trips either
I take day trips as about 60 miles. perhaps some might do regular 100 milers in daylight
I suppose if one crossed the English Channel & went up to Flushing & then the Elbe via the standing mast route that would be Ok but by the time I got that far it would be winter & I would have to come back
that being said I have met people returning from the Baltic with stories of good weather & having a good time
personally i tend to head west rather than east
I am sure a few on this forum will enlighten me though
Twister_Ken
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Not something I know much about (it rained for a week the only time I was in the Baltic) but Cruising Association members who go to the Baltic seem very reluctant to come back (not just because of headwinds) and are always trying to convince the rest of us to try it.
Daydream believer
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Probably get iced in!!!
AliM
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The Baltic is lovely. If you have time to get there and back, then you can do it quite easily in short day sails. The longest legs are across the North Sea (or you can do a short crossing to Calais and wander up the coast) and the bit into the Elbe. If you want to do it in a wayfarer, then you may find it easier to stick it on a trailer, but the canals through NL and Germany are easy enough for any boat with a moderate draft, (for German canals, you need to take your mast down).
Once there, the sailing is super with loads of islands, small harbours, anchorages, to wander around for ever. We come back for the winter, but many CA people lay the boat up there (very cheap) and go back for every summer.
Once there, the sailing is super with loads of islands, small harbours, anchorages, to wander around for ever. We come back for the winter, but many CA people lay the boat up there (very cheap) and go back for every summer.
Twister_Ken
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No! They tuck their boats up in heated sheds and come home courtesy of Boeing or Airbus.
Daydream believer
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I thought that they put water agitators under the boats in the marinas
knuterikt
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Water agitators (or bubbles) is for the poor native boat owners, inside is for the wealthy ones
They store boats both outside and inside and some is sitting in the water.
Joker
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I went from Gosport to Sweden in about 4 weeks last year singlehanded. No legs >60 miles. And no Dutch waterways.
Daydream believer
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90% of my sailing is single handed & I work on doing one leg, stop a day & then another leg. If i do legs over 100 miles I stop 2 days.
So out of interest, can you remember how many legs you did?
Neil_Y
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I've day sailed a (small) 30' boat up the the Elbe, crossing from Dover to Nieuwpoort Belgium, we actually had very little wind so were running with an outboard for some time until the wind arrived. Maybe I shouldn't encourage people to come to Sweden, it's lovely and quiet with hundreds of anchorages where you can be alone on your own island. There are still boats in the water without bubbles, but most are now out under tarps or in sheds. The lakes froze here last week but the sea was only just freezing at the shore near Stockholm. If you leave in May you have lots of daylight as you go North, and if you plan to leave the boat here over winter it will almost certainly be cheaper than any South coast harbour.
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BurnitBlue
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It is easier to sail from UK to the Baltic than the other way Baltic to UK. If only in the mind.
For a sailor who has experienced only the non-tidal Baltic to be faced with water moving horizontally and vertically is off-putting to say the least.
Could also be the main reason UK sailors in Sweden have no desire to get back.
For a sailor who has experienced only the non-tidal Baltic to be faced with water moving horizontally and vertically is off-putting to say the least.
Could also be the main reason UK sailors in Sweden have no desire to get back.
Neil_Y
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Yep, sailed with Swedish friends into Polperro for a lunch stop once and they wondered why I didn't go inside the harbour...after lunch it was dry which seemed to be quite a shock for them...was the tsunami approaching or had someone pulled the plug out?
Joker
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Gosport > Eastbourne > Boulogne > Dunkirk > Zeebrugge > Scheveningen > Den Helder > Oost Vlieland > Borkum > Nordeney > Cuxhaven > Brunsbuttel > Gieselau > Flemuder See (both in Kiel Canal) > Fehrman > Kuhlungsborn > Klintholm > Ystad.
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