If Scotland leaves the Union, will I need a new Ensign?

A1Sailor said:
Please explain. Who do you refer to as "we"? Do you mean Greece? Or are you English located in Greece? Or Mongolian? Who is/are "we"?
You surely don't refer to the United Kingdom of England do you? Don't be daft!
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Now you're being deliberately silly. I am a citizen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland temporarily residing in Greece. The "we" is therefore clearly "we the citizens of the United Kingdom".

You'd have to try really hard, or be deliberately obtuse, to read "FWIW I'm sure we would retain the name United Kingdom too. We are a Kingdom and, even without Scotland, we would still be a united group of former independent states" any other way.
 
ffiill said:
There is talk at the moment as refering to it as the Union flag-problem is union suggests equality but there is no equality in the flag.
Once upon a time before the Germans took over and the Stuarts still ruled, in Scotland the diagonal cross of St Andrew was in the forground and the red cross of St.George in the backgrond-vice versa if you were in England-total equality.
It was Queenies lot-the Hanoverians who emblazoned the flag of St.George in the forground-along with the anthem about confounding your enemies and in a very early version subjugating the Scots and the Irish!.
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+1
 
awol said:
It wouldn't be "leaving" the Union - it would be dissolving it by repealing the 1707 Act. Whether the EC, UN, NATO, etc. would want either or both of the parts to remain as members without having to reapply is an interesting question.
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Wouldnt it be great if we were no longer members of those three quangos? We could settle down to being a bigger version of Switzerland - being bothy filthy rich and ignored. I could even learn to yodel.:D
 
epervier said:
Flippant, I know, but I would have thought a more burning question would be, would an independent Scotland sell their single malt at a more tax friendly price:D
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Just imagine a Scottish version of the Boston Tea Party, protesting the unfair imposition of VAT ontop of an Excise Duty already charged! A Tax on a Tax, perhaps our American Cousins had it right.:D
 
Angleland

The tribe of Angles having given their name to a language and a country, might like to have it back in Norfolk and Suffolk.
Let go of the ungrateful Mercians, Northumbrians, and assorted Celtish hangers on.
The Saxons too have always been troublesome, picking fights with everyone.
As for the bare-buttocked rories!!!!
Let us go back to living quietly on herrings, corn and turnips. (Incidentally, the herring are back in shoals. It's just that the correspondence got lost between our sleepy scientists and Brussel)
 
little_roundtop said:
Certainly. Scotland's representation on the Union Flag is the Cross of St Andrew. But since Scotland does not own any legal rights to the cross of St Andrew they cannot require it's removal from the Union Flag, even if they use it as their own national flag.
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I guess that is true.

People might think it's odd that we have a symbol of a nation that no longer wishes to be part of our "Union".
 
I don't know if this has already been raised but..........

If Scotland does do a bunk will the Queen still be their monarch or will they dump her too?
If they do, will Luddy et al decamp to north of the border?

Come on Rev., we need to be told.:):)
 
Rigger Mortice said:
...... If Scotland does do a bunk will the Queen still be their monarch or will they dump her too?
If they do, will Luddy et al decamp to north of the border? ....
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Apparently the Union of Crowns remains valid, so the Queen shall remain the head of state of Scotland, according to Question Time comments last week.
 
Rigger Mortice said:
I don't know if this has already been raised but..........

If Scotland does do a bunk will the Queen still be their monarch or will they dump her too?
If they do, will Luddy et al decamp to north of the border?

Come on Rev., we need to be told.:):)
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I'd be tempted if it wasn't for the weather.
My Mothers side are MacGregor anyway and I have red hair so I'd probably fit in.
 
little_roundtop said:
Now you're being deliberately silly. I am a citizen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland temporarily residing in Greece. The "we" is therefore clearly "we the citizens of the United Kingdom".

You'd have to try really hard, or be deliberately obtuse, to read "FWIW I'm sure we would retain the name United Kingdom too. We are a Kingdom and, even without Scotland, we would still be a united group of former independent states" any other way.
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Thanks for the explanation. Only you know you are not Greek.
 
Rigger Mortice said:
I don't know if this has already been raised but..........

If Scotland does do a bunk will the Queen still be their monarch or will they dump her too?
If they do, will Luddy et al decamp to north of the border?

Come on Rev., we need to be told.:):)
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Perhaps Scotland will retain Her Majesty, and correctly refer to her as Queen Elizabeth the First...
 
I find it interesting that the SNP and the actors seem to be taking charge in telling us the conditions of their leaving the Union. They will remain in GB they will remain in the UK, they will use sterling, they will keep the monarchy, we will retain the union jack, we will buy their water etc etc etc

Oddly too I find, Westminster is remaining very quiet on this matter and the English, Welsh and NI are to also stay quiet or be accused of xenophobia or racism (see QT).

I believe the jockish are being lied to by Salmond and I worry why no one in the south seems to be telling it how it is, if you leave you actually leave! Surely the best you can hope for is an invitation to join the commonwealth, you can't leave the UK and remain in the UK, it makes no sense. Trade is going to cost more unless you move everything by ship, you will be paying duty to export here, here being your biggest market.

There is one silver lining though, the Caledonian Canal might finally be of some use for trade!
 
ean_p said:
and so an independent Scotland would be seen(deemed?) as a new 'state' and as such would need to start from scratch so to speak! ie not have membership of the EU
or some such scenario!
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IIRC, this situation is foreseen in the relevant treaties/agreements, probably because of the situations in the Balkans and Eastern Europe. If a member state breaks into constituent parts, each of the parts is automatically part of the EU, no change of conditions, etc. Some conversations would probably be necessary, but that, not negotiation of a new treaty of adhesion.

Plomong
 
Mmmmm I seem to remember, though am probably very wrong, that it was actually the other way round, though its some time since I read on the subject and can't recall the specific examples and treaties quoted. A lot, if I recall correctly, depends on the original 'state' and the way in which it would / could break up. I don't think it has happened within the EU either way as of yet and the precedents quoted are elsewhere on the international stage. I think though it is thought that most international observers would see Scotland as a new entity as Scotland as an entity doesn't exist at the mo', and that the UK, though of reduced size would exist through the change and there by retain all its memberships etc! while Scotland would need to start from scratch.
The treaties etc are a matter of fact though open to lots of debate. Another aspect often quoted as working against Scotland and the EU specifically is the reluctance of member states to assist Scotland in fear that it would encourage some form of regional descent in their own backyards!
who knows but it'll be interesting times all-round if they go for it in 2014!
 
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