If I were an RNLI donor I would not be happy.

FishyInverness said:
I fervently disagree with their having commissioned a La-di-da artist at great expense to fashion a memorial outside their new HQ, which could have easily been produced by a ship-builder or similar - (It isn't that arty!)
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The RNLI did not pay for that, it was paid for by a grant.
 
There was a contact window on the SNSM site. I asked them if they had anything they would like to add, clarify etc. giving the references to this thread. If anything comes of it I'll let you know.
 
Brigantia said:
So, having failed to convince anybody that the RNLI is procuring the wrong boats and buying the wrong systems and even having failed to convince the majority that the RNLI is paying it's employees too much and spending too much on non-essentials
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He convinced me.

He would have convinced many others but they left a long time ago. The YBW forums have become a refuge dominated by retirees from the military and public sector. No wonder it is impossible to pursue an argument here about a squandered income.

Over the years ChannelYacht has jumped up and down about my opinion of low quality of coast guard employees and the need to shrink the service down from its prior bizarre station disposition. The fools of this forum have been ignored, the people who deal with reality have done what I recommended.

Likewise in the Lounge two years ago I questioned why wealthy pensioners in executive band E homes should receive a winter fuel allowance intended to keep pauper pensions from freezing in the winter. My opinion on this matter was apparently heinous but now even the Liberals support doing what I proposed.

Beyond the chocolate box rural retiree village lifestyles enjoyed by the in-crowd here, vast regions of this country are an economic disaster populated by the State funded unemployed and incapacitated. But hey no problem, all is ok because the well funded old codgers of the YBW forums can squander their money on the RNLI and so continue to cling to the notion that something British is best.

And the result? A deluxe free breakdown service for Sunseeker bankers playing at the weekend funded by the carpetbagger generation. Talk about weapons of mass financial destruction, this is a perfect chain reaction, the generation that wrecked the United Kingdom just prior to retiring early in rude health, now helps the bankers re-cooperate at the weekend before they recommence the cycle of destruction Monday morning in the City.

MAD, MAD.
 
jonjo5 said:
He convinced me.

He would have convinced many others but they left a long time ago. The YBW forums have become a refuge dominated by retirees from the military and public sector. No wonder it is impossible to pursue an argument here about a squandered income.

Over the years ChannelYacht has jumped up and down about my opinion of low quality of coast guard employees and the need to shrink the service down from its prior bizarre station disposition. The fools of this forum have been ignored, the people who deal with reality have done what I recommended.

Likewise in the Lounge two years ago I questioned why wealthy pensioners in executive band E homes should receive a winter fuel allowance intended to keep pauper pensions from freezing in the winter. My opinion on this matter was apparently heinous but now even the Liberals support doing what I proposed.

Beyond the chocolate box rural retiree village lifestyles enjoyed by the in-crowd here, vast regions of this country are an economic disaster populated by the State funded unemployed and incapacitated. But hey no problem, all is ok because the well funded old codgers of the YBW forums can squander their money on the RNLI and so continue to cling to the notion that something British is best.

And the result? A deluxe free breakdown service for Sunseeker bankers playing at the weekend funded by the carpetbagger generation. Talk about weapons of mass financial destruction, this is a perfect chain reaction, the generation that wrecked the United Kingdom just prior to retiring early in rude health, now helps the bankers re-cooperate at the weekend before they recommence the cycle of destruction Monday morning in the City.

MAD, MAD.
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I know its raining this morning and it is the last day of the Labour Party conference, but maybe you ought to take your tablets and go back to bed.
 
jonjo5, have you had your blood pressure checked recently? I think it might be wise.

I must say that I really do like the motto of the SNSM:

" Pour que l'eau salée n'ait jamais le goût des larmes"

:)
 
jonjo5 said:
Over the years ChannelYacht has jumped up and down about my opinion of low quality of coast guard employees and the need to shrink the service down from its prior bizarre station disposition. The fools of this forum have been ignored, the people who deal with reality have done what I recommended.
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Just hang on a minute.

You have, in the past, made some pretty insulting comments about "low quality" of CG employees - and you're wrong, so damn right I'll defend both myself and my colleagues when attacked without justification. You have zero knowledge of our training, abilities, or what we handle day to day - so either find out, or zip it.

For the record, no, I have never defended the status quo with regard to station locations - I've often said we have an infrastructure more linked to the days of visual watch than effective SAR coordination. That is changing - I, like many of my colleagues, are dubious about some of the changes for reasons I won't go into on a public forum, but we're professionals and it's the only plan in town, so we'll make it work.

Yes, I am concerned that we are not recruiting people with a maritime background - but having said that, we need good SAR coordinators, not people who are there simply becuse they were at sea. The "old" culture of recruiting retired naval people, etc is not fit for purpose - our role has changed, and we need to be looking forward to being a modern, multi-agency emergency service, not some sort of sailing advice line. If you want sailing advice, get trained before you go out. About 50% of our incidents have nothing to do with being on the water.
 
chanelyacht said:
Just hang on a minute.
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VHF Mayday in progress.
I was quite amused when about 2 months ago the radio operator was telling off the casualty for giving her longitude instead of latitude first. (May have been other way around.) Like the casualty knows which way round he must give the position! I'm afraid she went down in my estimations a bit because she was computer driven and computer said "No".
The important bit was to get the location. She needed to work with the information passed not ask him to do it again but the other way around. I***t springs to mind.
 
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Talulah said:
VHF Mayday in progress.
I was quite amused when about 2 months ago the radio operator was telling off the casualty for giving her longitude instead of latitude first. (May have been other way around.) Like the casualty knows which way round he must give the position! I'm afraid she went down in my estimations a bit because she was computer driven and computer said "No".
The important bit was to get the location. She needed to work with the information passed not ask him to do it again but the other way around. I***t springs to mind.
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Can't comment on the specific example, but I think I'd have had "words" afterwards on that one...

People panic when they're in trouble - that's normal. It's our job to get the right information to help them - and if they give it in the wrong order, that's our job to translate it.

I did however get yelled at once by a casualty as I asked his position about five minutes after he'd given it. He did apologise later when I explained we do that because when being given a GPS position, it is not unknown for the casualty to give us the screen cursor or waypoint position, not his actual one. If, after five minutes, the position hasn't moved (even by .001), then it's not the actual position...
 
jonjo5 said:
all is ok because the well funded old codgers of the YBW forums can squander their money on the RNLI and so continue to cling to the notion that something British is best.

And the result? A deluxe free breakdown service for Sunseeker bankers playing at the weekend funded by the carpetbagger generation. Talk about weapons of mass financial destruction, this is a perfect chain reaction, the generation that wrecked the United Kingdom just prior to retiring early in rude health, now helps the bankers re-cooperate at the weekend before they recommence the cycle of destruction Monday morning in the City.

MAD, MAD.
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Love it and while a sweeping generalisation probably has a large element of truth in it.

I found the post stating the covenent between the RNLI and their crews that risk their lives that the RNLI will provide the best equipment pursuasive.

However as a person working in a tough environment in private industry and having worked before for local authorities I deplore waste and doubt how any large organisations or one where there is little fiscal constraints can be efficient.

I just really object to the attacks on Sybartte when he raised a sensible question. I welcome the informed responses but a few formites have gone down in my estimation when they have little facts to contribute but merely attack or try to be derisary about the person stating an opinion opposite to theirs. I note that one termed me the "straw man" as I dared to see some merit in the points raised by Sybarite.
 
chanelyacht said:
I did however get yelled at once by a casualty as I asked his position about five minutes after he'd given it. He did apologise later when I explained we do that because when being given a GPS position, it is not unknown for the casualty to give us the screen cursor or waypoint position, not his actual one. If, after five minutes, the position hasn't moved (even by .001), then it's not the actual position...
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I like that. I shall use that in my courses when people start shouting at the radio with "they've just given their b****y position." A little piece of info can explain a lot.
 
Talulah said:
I like that. I shall use that in my courses when people start shouting at the radio with "they've just given their b****y position." A little piece of info can explain a lot.
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I've got loads like that ;)

Another one is people are confused when we ask depth. It's simple - if we put it on the chart, that the charted depth for their position is 50m, and they're giving us 12m, they ain't where they think they are!
 
For me Sybarite's case collapsed when he refused to recognise the totally different requirements for a carriage launched boat compared to a boat kept in a harbour.

Sure there will be things that could be done better, but no-one has actually identified anything significant on this thread.

I've just been reading the current RNLI magazine that dropped thro my letterbox. It appears that the majority of injuries to crew on call outs are due to being thrown about inside the cab in rough water. Now there's a surprise to any of us who have gone below in a blow or overfalls!

So, what have the done about it on the new Shannon?

The crew are all seated & belted in. Controls are duplicated & linked so that any crew member can carry out the required tasks. Then, they have used computerised seats to reduced the violent motion! Presumably they have adapted flight simulator & fairground ride technology to move the seats in opposition to the hull movement!

Now how good is that! So when the crew arrive to save me (or you) they will be a lot less stressed or tired & no-one is likely to have been injured. Now that is excellent innovation. A problem identified & eliminated or mitigated. That's what design & development is about. What a great benefit for all.

No doubt the technology will eventually be offered to other rescue services & even fast MoBo manufacturers to make speed in rough conditions musch safer.
 
Searush said:
For me Sybarite's case collapsed when he refused to recognise the totally different requirements for a carriage launched boat compared to a boat kept in a harbour.

Sure there will be things that could be done better, but no-one has actually identified anything significant on this thread.

I've just been reading the current RNLI magazine that dropped thro my letterbox. It appears that the majority of injuries to crew on call outs are due to being thrown about inside the cab in rough water. Now there's a surprise to any of us who have gone below in a blow or overfalls!

So, what have the done about it on the new Shannon?

The crew are all seated & belted in. Controls are duplicated & linked so that any crew member can carry out the required tasks. Then, they have used computerised seats to reduced the violent motion! Presumably they have adapted flight simulator & fairground ride technology to move the seats in opposition to the hull movement!

Now how good is that! So when the crew arrive to save me (or you) they will be a lot less stressed or tired & no-one is likely to have been injured. Now that is excellent innovation. A problem identified & eliminated or mitigated. That's what design & development is about. What a great benefit for all.

No doubt the technology will eventually be offered to other rescue services & even fast MoBo manufacturers to make speed in rough conditions musch safer.
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Fast mobos don't go fast in rough condition, they are all tucked up in a marina when the going gets tough.:D

Yeah-Yeah, just going!
 
Sybarite said:
Are Sunseekers really that unreliable? Maybe they should be thinking of getting a French boat instead....:p
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That is not the point. Jonjo was making a "political" point with his rhetoric. Chanelyacht is saying that facts will not support that statement. Sunseekers are no more likely to need help than any other kind of boat, just as Sunseeker anchors are no more likely to kill seahorses in Studland than all the other boats that anchor there.

Facts never stop zealots from talking rubbish.

Sunseekers are the nautical equivalent of Mrs Thatcher - something to blame all the ills of the world on.
 
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