ICC

[Portofino]

The only fly in the ointment post brexit I can see over the horizon is they play the none transient card for those basically permanently based in there country regarding qualifications .
They might independently eg Sp ( out of Gib leverage / bitterness ) or carry out clarity sent down from Brussels ??
Transient is up to 6 months btw .
So you can drift about willy nilly using your ICC as proof of qualification.
But those deemed none transient may need to have the same as the locals .

Any reciprocity deals made are just that “ deals “ not EU law and various officials might interpret what’s allowed differently.

Eg I have a Fr suitable qualification but the boats based in IT for an excess of 6 months .
Will the IT accept an Fr .....quali because intra EU is Ok ? .....Probably.

But extra EU ie 3 rd party status of U.K. post brexit .......Hmm the lack of U.K. representation after brexit around the table when rationalisation of EU boating qualifications crops up .....I don’t think so .So conclude fobbing them off with ICC only is on borrowed time unless In transit.

Nipping over the Chanel for a W/E by a Solent boater will be classed as “transit” , so your current U.K.flag requirements of knack all qualifications will do .
If you have a piece of paper generated by the RYA in the U.K. ( now a 3 rd party in EU eyes post brexit ) then that will do in this example .

 

[Hurricane]

The only fly in the ointment post brexit I can see over the horizon is they play the none transient card for those basically permanently based in there country regarding qualifications .
They might independently eg Sp ( out of Gib leverage / bitterness ) or carry out clarity sent down from Brussels ??
Transient is up to 6 months btw .
So you can drift about willy nilly using your ICC as proof of qualification.
But those deemed none transient may need to have the same as the locals .

Any reciprocity deals made are just that “ deals “ not EU law and various officials might interpret what’s allowed differently.

Eg I have a Fr suitable qualification but the boats based in IT for an excess of 6 months .
Will the IT accept an Fr .....quali because intra EU is Ok ? .....Probably.

But extra EU ie 3 rd party status of U.K. post brexit .......Hmm the lack of U.K. representation after brexit around the table when rationalisation of EU boating qualifications crops up .....I don’t think so .So conclude fobbing them off with ICC only is on borrowed time unless In transit.

Nipping over the Chanel for a W/E by a Solent boater will be classed as “transit” , so your current U.K.flag requirements of knack all qualifications will do .
If you have a piece of paper generated by the RYA in the U.K. ( now a 3 rd party in EU eyes post brexit ) then that will do in this example .

This is all ?ollocks and not worth a reply.
You are mixing a whole load of things up.

 

[Portofino]

This is all ?ollocks and not worth a reply.
You are mixing a whole load of things up.

This better ?

Spain is perfectly within its rights to impose its own rules on foreign flagged boats that are based in its waters. In fact this already happens in its neighbour.


This argument regularly crops up. I think you need to read Uncloss 11 and other international agreements. The coastal State can impose whatever conditions it wants on vessels NOT on innocent passage. Portugal for instance requires pleasure craft there for more that 6 months to carry the same safety equipment as Portuguese registered ones although unlike a few years ago Portugal where foreign flagged boats that are deemed resident are required to comply with local rules on equipment. New Zealand also applies local rules to foreign boats that are resident, although like Portugal it exempts genuine visitors or boats on "innocent passage".

Innocent passage is an important concept in international law as that is when coastal states apply the principle of "comity" and respect the state flags rules. However once a boat starts cruising within the waters of the coastal state, and that time exceeds 6 months then “innocent passage “no longer applies and with it comity, although in practice most states do extend comity, at least for private leisure craft. That’s the current position within the EU Med , that we all have been enjoying.

It would be helpful, rather than posting ridiculing comments on my posts you direct us to EU law or international law to support your contention .

What iam saying qualifications could be next post brexit for vessels NOT on innocent passage .
Fall out from Brexit may render the current ICC useless .
That’s all .
Can’t you see that risk ........peek over the horizon and see the post brexit landscape ?

Therefore my advice to a newby prospect British citizen thinking of relocating a boat permanently to the Med would be if possible try and attain a local suitable qualifications.

I realise those with just a U.K. based RYA icc qualifications hope the current status quo will remain .

 

[Portland Billy]

I hold a Master's FG cert, so have never had any hassle - but always thought the 'I' stood for International, which would mean acceptable anywhere.
I am open to correction on this.

 

[MapisM]

Any reciprocity deals made are just that “ deals “ not EU law and various officials might interpret what’s allowed differently.

Agreed on the principle, but if this helps you sleep better, to my knowledge IT applied reciprocity on this matter for much longer than I can even remember.
In IT waters, you might be asked your boat papers including the insurance, and possibly your personal document, but I never heard of a Brit at the helm of a red ensign boat being asked any sort of licence/qualification.
They could (and would!) ask me my IT license whenever helming a boat > 40hp in IT waters, even if non-IT flagged, but that doesn't apply to any Brit.
If anyone ever had a different experience, I'd be curious to hear it.

PS: for the records, I believe they could also ask you a license if you would be helming an IT-registered boat, but I'm not even 100% positive on this.