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(new for this year) strict Greek requirement to have an ICC or equivalent.

Just spotted this on another thread. Is it true as I do not have one and am unable to find my dayskipper/ Y.master paperwork from the nineties?

cheers bobt
 
1bobt said:
(new for this year) strict Greek requirement to have an ICC or equivalent.

Just spotted this on another thread. Is it true as I do not have one and am unable to find my dayskipper/ Y.master paperwork from the nineties?

cheers bobt
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I don't know if it is a new requirement, but Prevesa port police insisted they see it, and I had to go back to the boat to get it. I have not been asked for ths before.
 
My experience in Preveza was just as Chris Robb's.
Previously the port police had refused to issue a Dekpa to the missus, who's half-owner of the boat, but didn't have her ICC available.
Ironic, really, since Greece hasn't signed up to the international agreement which begat ICC.
 
We were asked to show our ICCs several years ago at Preveza. Another example of PP inconsistency? One of very few requests to see them in Greece, although we have previously been asked to show them in Italy, France, Spain and Belgium.

I think the other thread talked about the ICC requirement for charter/flotilla companies.
 
1bobt said:
(new for this year) strict Greek requirement to have an ICC or equivalent.

Just spotted this on another thread. Is it true as I do not have one and am unable to find my dayskipper/ Y.master paperwork from the nineties?

cheers bobt
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It was me on the Scuttlebutt thread.

I've never been asked for this before, but all the charter skippers had to present ICC or equivalent, along with boat papers this time around. Interestingly, Sunsail have recognised the potential problem here and are now running 1 day ICC assessments twice a week for experienced skippers.
 
Another Greek job protection scheme. I'll just have to take the wife off the yacht's registration when it comes up for renewal. She certainly isn't going to take an ICC course!
 
1bobt said:
(new for this year) strict Greek requirement to have an ICC or equivalent.

Just spotted this on another thread. Is it true as I do not have one and am unable to find my dayskipper/ Y.master paperwork from the nineties?

cheers bobt
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Depends on who you are. It has always been the case that skippers of Greek registered yachts must be "competent" - without defining what competence is and how it is evidenced. Greece has not signed up to the UN resolution so does not officially recognise the ICC. However, pragmatically it is acceptable as evidence for getting a charter permit for a Greek boat, although as usual enforcement has been variable or non existent. Increasingly though it is being enforced with charter operators, even in areas that have been lax before. The responsibility lies with the local PP so not surprising there is variability!

BTW RYA certificates are also acceptable, but probably better to get an ICC as it is more easily recognised - with a photo and government stamp!
 
Whilst wending our way from the UK to Turkey I've been asked for proof of competence twice, once by Portuguese authorities and then in Med Spain. They both took more notice of my ICC than my RYA YM Offshore cert. Although ironically having the RYA ticket means you get the ICC gratis.
 
macd said:
My experience in Preveza was just as Chris Robb's.
Previously the port police had refused to issue a Dekpa to the missus, who's half-owner of the boat, but didn't have her ICC available.
Ironic, really, since Greece hasn't signed up to the international agreement which begat ICC.
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I thought that ICCs are a confirmation of the skipper's competence. These Greeks are right out of order if they are demanding it from the owners surely? This needs reporting to Mr Farrage!

You boat operates under it's FLAG nation's rules.
 
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But don't we also agree (indeed, are required) to obey the laws of the country we're in?
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In 2010 booking into Greece they wanted to see my ICC, (Messolonghi) in 2012 the Turks wanted to see a "boat driving license" (Datcha) - the ICC was acceptable, in both cases RYA certs were not. No big deal - unless you don't have one. Yes I know the UK hasn't signed up to some protocol or other but I for one dont fancy trying to argue the toss with a foreign official. I seem to remember some trouble around this subject with uncertified skippers trying to leave Aus or New Zealand a few years ago . . .

In Turkey it does actually say you must have a boat driving license to operate in Turkish waters, dont know what the Greek official position is but its probably local and depends on how they feel that day.
 
Steve C Cronin said:
I thought that ICCs are a confirmation of the skipper's competence. These Greeks are right out of order if they are demanding it from the owners surely? This needs reporting to Mr Farrage!

You boat operates under it's FLAG nation's rules.
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The owners are me and the missus, 50:50. The skipper is whichever one of us feels like being one (and she's better at dealing with officials without flying into a blue fug). So, to that extent it was entirely our doing and nothing on the part of the port police (whatever else I might think about the lazy, sexist slobs).
 
Marsupial said:
In 2010 booking into Greece they wanted to see my ICC, (Messolonghi) in 2012 the Turks wanted to see a "boat driving license" (Datcha) - the ICC was acceptable, in both cases RYA certs were not. No big deal - unless you don't have one. Yes I know the UK hasn't signed up to some protocol or other but I for one dont fancy trying to argue the toss with a foreign official. I seem to remember some trouble around this subject with uncertified skippers trying to leave Aus or New Zealand a few years ago . . .

In Turkey it does actually say you must have a boat driving license to operate in Turkish waters, dont know what the Greek official position is but its probably local and depends on how they feel that day.
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Somewhat perversely UK is a signatory to the UN Resolution and was instrumental in setting up the ICC, even though having a licence is not a legal requirement in the UK. Suspect UK yachtsmen are the biggest beneficiaries of the ICC as you can get it with a relatively simple test. Most other countries have compulsory licences and these are usually acceptable in other countries, although the home country can also issue an ICC.

Although there are no countries where an ICC per se is compulsory for coastal waters many do require a licence of some sort from a visitor in some circumstances and the ICC is usually accepted.
 
There is absolutely no way I can provide an ICC as i lost the RYa Certificates in a house flood years ago. I contacted RYA about 5-6 years ago and they don`t have records of who has passed what.
What will the port police do about not having an unnecessary piece of paper I have Depra`s from the last 15 years to proove that I have been the skipper?
 
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affinite said:
Isnt it the skipper who needs the ICC, rather than the owner ?
In that case 50/50 ownership shouldnt be an issue.
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Because there are no definitive laws or even rules, it all depends on local interpretation. For example sometimes PP ask for qualifications from skipper and one crew for a charter permit. My wife's yacht club membership card seems to satisfy that. Other times a photocopy is OK, but on one occasion a personal visit to the main office in Corfu with originals of all documents was required. It was early in the season and probably just flexing the powers. Changed later in the year when numbers of charters increased and the main aim was to get them out of the way on a Saturday so probably a Bournemouth Council library card would have been OK.
 
RYA Day Skipper and Coastal course completion certificates are now in a photo ID format. I would be very interested to hear from anyone who has found either of these acceptable in East Med countries as proof of ability.

Ta.
 
Steve, you seem to be misinterpreting what I wrote, despite my clarification. The missus happens to be part-owner (ref post #3); but she was applying for the Dekpa as skipper. That's why they wanted an ICC. And she ain't some fat old lady from Eastbourne.

Indeed if anything about the ICC makes me hot under the collar, it's not Greek port police but the RYA's practice of issuing them for five years only, which is by no means general practice elsewhere. Sheer profiteering.
 
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Tranona said:
Somewhat perversely UK is a signatory to the UN Resolution and was instrumental in setting up the ICC, even though having a licence is not a legal requirement in the UK. Suspect UK yachtsmen are the biggest beneficiaries of the ICC as you can get it with a relatively simple test. Most other countries have compulsory licences and these are usually acceptable in other countries, although the home country can also issue an ICC.

Although there are no countries where an ICC per se is compulsory for coastal waters many do require a licence of some sort from a visitor in some circumstances and the ICC is usually accepted.
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It never fails to amaze me that with the 'elf and safety' culture that we have in the UK that it is not compulsory to have a licence for watercraft,
the sooner they introduce testing/certification the better as far as I am concerned
 
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