ICC what's it for?

Accepting everything that's been said in previous posts,if it's proof of competence, why does it need renewing? A driving licence doesn't expire until you reach 70 and no retest to renew. No retest to renew the ICC so just wondering why it expires at all.
 
Gymrat said:
Accepting everything that's been said in previous posts,if it's proof of competence, why does it need renewing? A driving licence doesn't expire until you reach 70 and no retest to renew. No retest to renew the ICC so just wondering why it expires at all.
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The cynic would say it is to earn money for the RYA. However its origins are linked to the corresponding commercial certificate which came in at a similar time and does need renewing every 5 years. There is some doubt as to whether the limited life was an intention of the Resolution but it has "stuck". Sort of irrelevant if you are a member as there is no cost to you, the process is painless and it does ensure (like a passport) your photo is up to date.
 
Gymrat said:
Accepting everything that's been said in previous posts,if it's proof of competence, why does it need renewing? A driving licence doesn't expire until you reach 70 and no retest to renew. No retest to renew the ICC so just wondering why it expires at all.
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Photo card driving licences do need renewing every 10 years.
 
Gymrat said:
Accepting everything that's been said in previous posts,if it's proof of competence, why does it need renewing? A driving licence doesn't expire until you reach 70 and no retest to renew. No retest to renew the ICC so just wondering why it expires at all.
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Competence doesn't stay the same forever and is more likely to decline that improve. Whatever the certificate is called, a short test is a good start but it isn't really proving "competence" - other things come in to it, such as behaviour and attitude.

The numbers of licenced drivers mean regular re-tests wouldn't be practical. The system of offences and penalties to enforce standards seems to work OK for the majority.
 
penberth3 said:
Competence doesn't stay the same forever and is more likely to decline that improve.
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Arguably so, but since there is no mechanism to assess any decline in competence, it's irrelevant. In the UK, at lest, on renewing an ICC you simply declare that you meet the requirements. These include being "physically and mentally fit to operate a pleasure craft, and in particular, [having] sufficient powers of vision and hearing".
(I hasten to add I'm not advocating more rigour in overseeing applications.)
 
penberth3 said:
Competence doesn't stay the same forever and is more likely to decline that improve. Whatever the certificate is called, a short test is a good start but it isn't really proving "competence" - other things come in to it, such as behaviour and attitude.

The numbers of licenced drivers mean regular re-tests wouldn't be practical. The system of offences and penalties to enforce standards seems to work OK for the majority.
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I thought you got better with practice and age.
 
CLB said:
Poor analogy. A driving licence is required by law. An ICC is not. You do not currently need an ICC to cross the Channel to France. There is no law in place that requires it
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............... I go inland in France, Belgium and holland and I am required to have a cevni. This is attached to the ICC so to go inland yes, you do have to have one, and I have been asked to show it once in Holland.
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So an ICC is a legal requirement - if you want to go to certain places ?
 
MartynG said:
So an ICC is a legal requirement - if you want to go to certain places ?
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Often not expressly. Certain countries require evidence of competence. In some cases (notably Croatia, which helpfully publishes a list of recognised qualifications), ICC suffices, but so do several RYA qualifications. In Greece, on the other hand, an ICC is the only qualification likely to be widely accepted...although Day Skipper etc may sometimes be (and one forumite reported having a UK car licence accepted :encouragement:)

The RYA website has a country-by-country run-down of qualifications required. You'll see that many countries require no proof of competence, the UK being one of them.

There's also the issue of CEVNI endorsement to the ICC, required for much (but nor all) of mainland Europe's inland waterways. (Which is historically where the ICC was born.)
 
LadyInBed said:
I don't have one of those either, but 70 this year so who knows what I will be forced into!
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This page may interest you: https://www.gov.uk/renew-driving-licence-at-70
(I'm approaching the same coming-of-age.)

You've obviously had an exemplary driving career. And not moved house for aeons.

The issue brings to mind a pub conversation in Levkas some years ago. During a conversation about bureaucratic hassles in general, someone compared them to the joy of a UK driving licence lasting for decades (which, for a while, it generally did). I suggested everyone check their licence. Three out of seven were startled to discover theirs had expired some considerable time before. Two of these had experienced no difficulties hiring cars in the interim.
 
Gymrat said:
I thought you got better with practice and age.
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As far as driving goes I certainly do not feel that I am getting better with age.Now that i am 71 I am deeply aware that my spacial awareness has reduced, my reaction times are slower.
In my 50's I would drive through central London 3 times a week with the A-Z against the wheel, sandwiches on the passenger seat, coffee in the cup holder, one hand on the wheel, towing a trailer doing up to 30 Mph, weaving in & out of traffic & never had an accident. Now if I even dare go to London it is both hands gripping the wheel & sweat pouring off my brow.
 
Daydream believer said:
As far as driving goes I certainly do not feel that I am getting better with age.Now that i am 71 I am deeply aware that my spacial awareness has reduced, my reaction times are slower.
In my 50's I would drive through central London 3 times a week with the A-Z against the wheel, sandwiches on the passenger seat, coffee in the cup holder, one hand on the wheel, towing a trailer doing up to 30 Mph, weaving in & out of traffic & never had an accident. Now if I even dare go to London it is both hands gripping the wheel & sweat pouring off my brow.
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So you were the one that cut me up in 1998!
 
greeny said:
So you were the one that cut me up in 1998!
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Yes - I remember you. Middle of the road driver, half asleep because no one is ever meant to overtake you & you were doing 50 MPH gripping the wheel with both hands sweat pouring off your brow like a b..dy old 70 year old codger who has b..ger all to do all day
Been driving for 52 years without a ticket, & at the speed you were going you are more likely to get done for loitering than speeding
( Now where did I get all that from???) Oh dear !!:ambivalence:
 
LadyInBed said:
Yes, I think we have had that conversation previously :)
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We did indeed, which is why I was surprised to see the same assertion by you and, in my pedantry, rose involuntarily to the bait. :)

On the subject of age and driving licences, I've just had my biennial, mandatory, Swiss medical check-up for all over-70s ... whew, it gets more and more rigorous. Sight, hearing, cognition tests, reaction times and a separate heart-clinic examination as my GP detected a slight heart-murmur, which the final report gave as minor and no impediment for the licence.
 
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