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Do I need an ICC for going over to the channel islands on my T40?

Have my Day Skipper Theory, Powerboat Intermediate, VHF etc etc, but havent managed to get round to my Day Skipper Practical yet this season.
 
Shouldn't need it for CI unless you plan to visit France on the way or back. Having said that, in thirty years of boating in countries from Norway to Spain I have never once been asked for my ICC. It might have been different though if I had been involved in an incident so this is not an argument against proper qualification.
 
IDAMAY said:
Shouldn't need it for CI unless you plan to visit France on the way or back. Having said that, in thirty years of boating in countries from Norway to Spain I have never once been asked for my ICC. It might have been different though if I had been involved in an incident so this is not an argument against proper qualification.
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Presently there is no requirement for any form of 'proper qualification' anywhere within the British Isles to sail your vessel below 80', including the Channel Islands. I would also suggest an ICC is hardly a 'proper qualification' anyway - most of us know what Port and Starboard means and an ICC requires little more than that to obtain.
 
superheat6k said:
I would also suggest an ICC is hardly a 'proper qualification' anyway - most of us know what Port and Starboard means and an ICC requires little more than that to obtain.
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You might "suggest" it but you would be wrong. Read what it says on the RYA site and then you will know its status.
 
Tranona said:
You might "suggest" it but you would be wrong. Read what it says on the RYA site and then you will know its status.
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What I expressed was my opinion. It is not wrong, it is my opinion. You may not agree with it, that is your want, but to make the statement I am wrong is, would suggest, wrong.

Shame these fora are increasingly become the realm of the thought Police.

I am a member of the RYA, and do hold suitable RYA proper qualifications, not just one invented to satisfy an over zealous EU Dictatorship that is acquired by default without proper trained for an examined qualifications in its own right.
 
i am entitled to an icc by " passing " my power boat 2----no exam ---1 school i looked at advertised 100% pass rate---i also passed my cevni----another mickey mouse exam
 
superheat6k said:
Presently there is no requirement for any form of 'proper qualification' anywhere within the British Isles to sail your vessel below 80', including the Channel Islands. I would also suggest an ICC is hardly a 'proper qualification' anyway - most of us know what Port and Starboard means and an ICC requires little more than that to obtain.
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Hey Trevor, I resemble that. I was put through the wringer last summer to get my ICC, albeit on a yacht. It was no gimme.
 
superheat6k said:
What I expressed was my opinion. It is not wrong, it is my opinion. You may not agree with it, that is your want, but to make the statement I am wrong is, would suggest, wrong.

Shame these fora are increasingly become the realm of the thought Police.

I am a member of the RYA, and do hold suitable RYA proper qualifications, not just one invented to satisfy an over zealous EU Dictatorship that is acquired by default without proper trained for an examined qualifications in its own right.
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It is sad now we live in this world of Social media that many people think that their opinion is as valid as facts. Well it is not. The other day I actually heard someone use the term Alternative Fact. Where will it all end
 
rafiki_ said:
Hey Trevor, I resemble that. I was put through the wringer last summer to get my ICC, albeit on a yacht. It was no gimme.
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Paul Then I have learnt something today, and i sincerely apologise if my opinion has caused you upset. I was not aware there was a specific ICC course, I thought it was bolted on to the Day skipper / YM Coastal / YM Offshore tickets.

In response to Bigplumbs. The purpose of these forums is to express an opinion. I do not state it may be a fact, it is simply my opinion. I do not expect all will agree with my opinion, and a counter response may provide a reason to change stated opinion, as Rafiki's response has done, ay least to some extent, where I was not aware ICC was a course they operate in its own right. I assume in these days of on line social media and political correctness someone is still allowed an opinion, and in a free Country on a free forum to express it, as long as doing so does not cause undue offence.

I do have another issue with ICC and that is creeping bureaucracy. I fully believe in training for all boaters, but I also believe it is better for what is after all a hobby activity that training should be based upon a voluntary effort, and not a Dictat from Nanny EU. The issue with the EU is the propensity to make everything and anything they see can be regulated MUST be regulated. I doubt it would have been too long before ICC would become mandatory here, and the way this likely non-Brexit is going it very likely will be a future requirement and yet another erosion of our civil liberties on the grounds of some one we never voted for knowing what is best for us.
 
superheat6k said:
cause undue offenceI do have another issue with ICC and that is creeping bureaucracy. I fully believe in training for all boaters, but I also believe it is better for what is after all a hobby activity that training should be based upon a voluntary effort, and not a Dictat from Nanny EU. The issue with the EU is the propensity to make everything and anything they see can be regulated MUST be regulated. I doubt it would have been too long before ICC would become mandatory here, and the way this likely non-Brexit is going it very likely will be a future requirement and yet another erosion of our civil liberties on the grounds of some one we never voted for knowing what is best for us.
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That's what the RYA is for to keep us unregulated
 
superheat6k said:
What I expressed was my opinion. It is not wrong, it is my opinion. You may not agree with it, that is your want, but to make the statement I am wrong is, would suggest, wrong.

Shame these fora are increasingly become the realm of the thought Police.

I am a member of the RYA, and do hold suitable RYA proper qualifications, not just one invented to satisfy an over zealous EU Dictatorship that is acquired by default without proper trained for an examined qualifications in its own right.
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"proper qualifications"?
Wot are those pray?
If you'r attacking the EU, shouldn't this be on another forum?
 
superheat6k said:
Paul Then I have learnt something today, and i sincerely apologise if my opinion has caused you upset. I was not aware there was a specific ICC course, I thought it was bolted on to the Day skipper / YM Coastal / YM Offshore tickets.

In response to Bigplumbs. The purpose of these forums is to express an opinion. I do not state it may be a fact, it is simply my opinion. I do not expect all will agree with my opinion, and a counter response may provide a reason to change stated opinion, as Rafiki's response has done, ay least to some extent, where I was not aware ICC was a course they operate in its own right. I assume in these days of on line social media and political correctness someone is still allowed an opinion, and in a free Country on a free forum to express it, as long as doing so does not cause undue offence.

I do have another issue with ICC and that is creeping bureaucracy. I fully believe in training for all boaters, but I also believe it is better for what is after all a hobby activity that training should be based upon a voluntary effort, and not a Dictat from Nanny EU. The issue with the EU is the propensity to make everything and anything they see can be regulated MUST be regulated. I doubt it would have been too long before ICC would become mandatory here, and the way this likely non-Brexit is going it very likely will be a future requirement and yet another erosion of our civil liberties on the grounds of some one we never voted for knowing what is best for us.
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The ICC is available to those who have completed those courses, but you do, of course, have to complete the course to get it so therefore your competence should have been assessed. You can take a specific ICC course if you don't have one of those and again you have to show a certain amount of competence to get it, although failure rates are very very low. You can also get an ICC after doing a PB level 2 course, but the ICC is limited to 10m.

In short, the ICC is very easy to obtain, but it is more than a piece of paper. You will have to receive some training and show a modicum of ability. In this sense it is little different from the basic level of compulsory training in some EU countries.
 
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