ICC - Do you really need it?

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So might as well get one anyway, and not run the risk of any issues like Vyv.

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The issue described by Vyv was a man held in custody overnight over accidental damage that the police fully accepted was not his fault - if you think a £39 ICC will help out given that kind of extreme abuse of Police powers you are wildly off the mark.
 
I was referring to Vyv being asked for his ICC
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So just how are you going to persuade this port policeman who just asked you for your 'driving licence' that UK rules do not require you to have one and that therefore you will not be presenting one? Don't think that all foreign policemen are going to be nice and pleasant to you because you are a foreigner - they are not.

[/ QUOTE ] not the incdent about accidental damage.

You obviosly want to pick holes in whatever anybody says, and argue with them. Probably best you don't go to the pub tonight.
 
I think there are those of us here with two completely different mindsets...

1) What does the law/rules require me to do? Facts and links please.
2) What do you guys, from experience, suggest that I do?

Toad is asking about 1) Most people are answering 2)
 
David,

Once again pay your subscription, read the RYA material and you will be as well informed as anybody including me about what your rights and obligations are. Then you would not need to clutter up the forum with demonstrations of your ignorance.

Although actually you don't need to subscribe because I am pretty sure I, along with others, have covered it all in various posts.
 
Most people have therefore answered the OP by JollyRoger62 then.......

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Has anyone ever been asked to show an ICC?

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To sum up perhaps a simple pole to end the debate? Just two questions requiring 'Yes' or 'No' answers:

1) Have you ever been asked to produce an ICC: No!

2) Would you recommend having one on board: Yes!
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you will be as well informed as anybody including me

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Well informed gems such as:

"If you are boating in countries which have signed up to UN resolutions 14 or 40, then you will need it. [ICC]"

"Renewal is every 5 years without a retest and is free to RYA members, £25 to freeloaders"

According to you there's a fixed penalty system in place in France to deal with those who are caught without original registration documents is another cracker.

According to you the following statement of mine is wrong:
"I bare charter in Greece with no qualifications of any kind - I know plenty of other people who do. You don't need any formal qualifications at all. "

Should people really aspire to be as well informed as you?
 
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If you are an RYA member, you can get the ICC and CEVNI free of charge.

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Thought it was only ICC if you produce suitable qualification ? CEVNI is still subject to fee - maybe I'm wrong ?
 
We paid to take the CEVNI, part to the commercial outfit who hosted the test, part to the RYA for admin. The fact that we are now qualified for both inland and at sea is recorded in the ICC, for which RYA members do not subsequently pay.

In addition to the three occasions that I have been asked to show my ICC in the Med, I was also asked for it during a spot check on the Canal du Midi, at Narbonne IIRC.
 
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Thought it was only ICC if you produce suitable qualification ? CEVNI is still subject to fee - maybe I'm wrong ?

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No you are not wrong - once you have obtained say a 'Day Skipper' qualification you send off the form to the RYA - ICC Certificate is then free to RYA members.

Then, if you subsequently want the Inland Waters endorsement, you can take the simple CEVNI test, pay the RYA test fee to the test centre, they send off pass results/form and within a few days you get a new ICC through the post with Inland Waters endorsed!

Well thats how it worked for me!
 
As usual Toad (or is it Terry?) highly selective and wrong.

1 I do not recall making such a simplistic statement. I would not because it is not true. UK has signed up to Resolution 40 but does not require residents to have any licence. It is however correct that is required in other countries that have adopted Resolution 40 for visiting yachtsmen - and you did not bother with the additional qualification that I added about some of those countries only requiring it for "Inland waterways". Read The RYA material in its entirety please.

2 No I did not claim anything abouit fixed penalties in France. I referred to an article in Yachting Monthly that stated it was the case. And if you bothered to read other responses to your questions you have been directed to the appropriate codes by another poster. If you find that these sources are incorrect then perhaps you would share your findings.

3 I have aplogised for the minor error of giving the incorrect amount for renewal of the ICC.

4 I have never said that you have not chartered in Greece without a qualification. I have no idea whether you have chartered in Greece at all. I have only said that Greek law requires evidence of competence to skipper a Greek charter boat - and because you seem to be very selective in what you read I suggest you reread the examples I gave of evidence that is accepted. Greece is classified as a country where a certificate of competence is required but an ICC is not automatically accepted.

So, please Toad go back into the cave you came out of!
 
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1 I do not recall making such a simplistic statement. I would not because it is not true.

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2 No I did not claim anything abouit fixed penalties in France.

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I am only going to respond to the first one because it is exactly as I said. I qualified the statement.

You are once again, as in your previous life becoming rather tiresome so as suggested go back into the cave.
 
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I bare charter in Greece with no qualifications of any kind - I know plenty of other people who do.

[/ QUOTE ] It is possible to bare charter without any qualifications at all. What happens in that case is that the charterer issues a certificate of competence based on his assessment of your abilities.
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You don't need any formal qualifications at all

[/ QUOTE ] That's incorrect. A charter party will not be issued unless a certificate of competence is attached.

The fact that such certificates are issued casually is irrelevant. They are required by Greek law for all Greek registered vessels, also for all vessels of any flag chartering or otherwise engaged in commercial activities in Greek waters.
 
I did my day skipper practical and sent this to the rya for an ICC, only time i have used it was as proof whjen i chartered from KC last summer, was never asked to produce it in Greece but I imagine its like being a biker, drive a car and never get pulled, drive a bike and the law ask to see your driving licence. For waht its worth it is worth getting it just in case.
Stu
 
I had to present one to Sailing Holidays before they would do the biz with a bareboat charter in Greece last year!
Stu
 
Ive been down this route with VAT proof of, lots of anecdotal but no hard evidence of stops and fines.
BUT had to send a copy of ICC to Sailing Holidays as proof pf competence and I am pretty sure they told me that I had to have it to sail bareboat in Greece
Stu
 
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