ICC cert. another EU Joke?

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We met as well . . .

Albin Vega 'Fairwinds' August 2006 - we were on the same pontoon as Ruddles for five days. We went on to the Canaries and back via the Azores, arrived back in Scotland in August last year and now planning the next trip. If you are heading for the Azores you can read a bit about our experiences on the website HERE

How very nice to see you having a calm and rational discussion with John. The RYA scheme does have its flaws, but IMO these are more than redeemed by its good points - and one of those good points is the quality and dedication in the main of its instructors and examiners.

- Nick (Webcraft)
 
Peter! You're usually so accurate. Perhaps the RYA has mesmerised you. Other countries' requirements for certificates don't apply to British flagged vessels in tidal waters. If you're entitled to sail a yacht in Britain without an ICC you're entitled to sail on French tidal waters without an ICC. It does, however, give a cast iron answer if you show a port official an ICC. I have one, though I've never been asked to produce it. I have had a visit from gendarmes maritime too. They just wanted to see log and insurance certificate.
 
If you're entitled to sail a yacht in Britain without an ICC you're entitled to sail on French tidal waters without an ICC. It does, however, give a cast iron answer if you show a port official an ICC.
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Can be extremely useful in Med including the bits that are part of France.
 
The problem is that some authorities expect that yachtsmen will have a certificate, and don't realise that British yachtsmen don't need one. The ICC then meets their expectations and stops any argument.

Of course, once you enter their inland water system they are entitled to ask for qualifications. That's why it may be important to get the inland endorsement with the CEVNI exam.
 
A key difference between the ICC and the RYA quals is that you are only required to pass the test for an ICC, you are not obliged to take any training. So, for old salts who know it all anyway, it is quick and easy - about four hours one to one with an examiner who checks your boat handling skills and asks questions about seamanship, etc. Just get the syllabus, brush up and book the test - much more convenient that a five day course.
 
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Nothing wrong with the ICC, at least it is accepted away from the UK , the very expensive rya stuff isnt.

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The lower levels aren't....
but the upper levels are the standard the world uses. (MCA/RYA Ocean Yachtmaster)
 
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A key difference between the ICC and the RYA quals is that you are only required to pass the test for an ICC, you are not obliged to take any training. So, for old salts who know it all anyway, it is quick and easy - about four hours one to one with an examiner who checks your boat handling skills and asks questions about seamanship, etc. Just get the syllabus, brush up and book the test - much more convenient that a five day course.

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Not strictly true. You are not obliged to take any training when going for the YM practical. If you feel you are up to it, you can simply book a test. Most sea schools do offer a YM brush up course of around 5 days, but is def not compulsory.
 
Not strictly true. You are not obliged to take any training when going for the YM practical. If you feel you are up to it, you can simply book a test. Most sea schools do offer a YM brush up course of around 5 days, but is def not compulsory.
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Correct!

You do not even need YM Theory, but should be up to that standard when you do your 5 day YM Prep course and/or just take the practical exam.

So, cost might just be the examiner.

For YM Ocean however, you must have a Theory (Ocean) certificate, before presenting yourself for assessment - you will also have done a qualifying ocean passage, taken sights etc & presented these to your assessor beforehand.

The theory certificate & sextant sights/passage, can be done in any order, but logically theory should be first. However, there are many 'old' salts, who have done numerous passages/sights, who now feel it necessary to do a theory course in order to subject themselves to interrogation, to get their full Ocean ticket.
 
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For YM Ocean however, you must have a Theory (Ocean) certificate, before presenting yourself for assessment - you will also have done a qualifying ocean passage, taken sights etc & presented these to your assessor beforehand.

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That's still not quite right.

According to the RYA Logbook (G15/07), the Ocean exam consists of an oral and a written test. However, if you hold the Ocean Theory Certificate from a shore-based course, then you are exempted from the written part. You don't need to have done the shore-based course at all, but then you'll have to take the written test part of the exam.
 
There's rather more in the RYA Ocean Shorebased Course than simple astro theory and sight reduction
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"According to the RYA Logbook (G15/07), the Ocean exam consists of an oral and a written test. However, if you hold the Ocean Theory Certificate from a shore-based course, then you are exempted from the written part. You don't need to have done the shore-based course at all, but then you'll have to take the written test part of the exam."

Accepted /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif, but most people opt for the Theory cert.
The written exam is specifically on the star sight planning and sight reduction and meteorology (according to YMO/94 revised 2003).

Also, since we seem to be getting pedantic, they MUST also "hold the RYA/Dot YM Offshore or DoT Coastal certificate (issued by DoT prior to 1974)".
 
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