I made a serious mistake: I cannot contain myself any further

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Pour le avion, I thought I would buy a magazine for the flight. I thought a copy of the PBO would be a good idea. £4.85 a copy to occupy the 12 hour flight. And the cover article 'How to chose your next boat: power or sail'! Interesting perhaps.

And within a moment, before even take off, my ire had reached 30,000 ft. The author.. nay... the dork :disgust: who wrote the article covered 6 pages - yes 6 pages - including his personal boating history. And for his vast experience he writes extensively thus:

"Wooden boats? - If you actually want to go boating do not buy a wooden boat unless you live ten minutes away from it or have pots of money to pay someone to pay someone else to maintain it for you".

That's it. Noffin else. The vast experience of 4 decades has NO experience of a wooden boat but still managed to express to an opinion.

I have owned wooden boats for 4 decades. I admit I now live on Mersea but still doesn't qualify me to be within 10 minutes and for 30 years I lived in London. Amazingly TG has managed to float. Can't imagine how that happened. Pots of money? Mine doesn't qualify like him who now owns a BROOM 41 diesel gobbling oil well!

How can a dork write for the PBO. Where is his PRACTICAL experience? He wants a Broom 41 for "more entertaining space, better facilities for guests and bigger engines allowing faster passage times" (of course, my mistake, it won't cost a lot to run like a wooden boat!).

Where is his experience about plastic tat? Elsewhere in the 'magazine', there is an article (well written and interesting) about "replacing his boat's hydraulic hoses following a steering failure" - a Jeanneau Merry Fisher 855 only THREE YEARS OLD which despite maintenance needing complete renewal. Note elsewhere on the forums about a plastic tat that was originally fitted with BRASS skin fittings which a surveyor thinks that all the skin fittings needed instantly replacement.

I can contain myself anymore. How can PBO publish such tat. I suppose they now claim they are a 'platform' rather than a publisher. :disgust:

I doubt the PBO will publish my response in 'readers' letters'.
 
tillergirl said:
Pour le avion, I thought I would buy a magazine for the flight. I thought a copy of the PBO would be a good idea. £4.85 a copy to occupy the 12 hour flight. And the cover article 'How to chose your next boat: power or sail'! Interesting perhaps.

And within a moment, before even take off, my ire had reached 30,000 ft. The author.. nay... the dork :disgust: who wrote the article covered 6 pages - yes 6 pages - including his personal boating history. And for his vast experience he writes extensively thus:

"Wooden boats? - If you actually want to go boating do not buy a wooden boat unless you live ten minutes away from it or have pots of money to pay someone to pay someone else to maintain it for you".

That's it. Noffin else. The vast experience of 4 decades has NO experience of a wooden boat but still managed to express to an opinion.

I have owned wooden boats for 4 decades. I admit I now live on Mersea but still doesn't qualify me to be within 10 minutes and for 30 years I lived in London. Amazingly TG has managed to float. Can't imagine how that happened. Pots of money? Mine doesn't qualify like him who now owns a BROOM 41 diesel gobbling oil well!

How can a dork write for the PBO. Where is his PRACTICAL experience? He wants a Broom 41 for "more entertaining space, better facilities for guests and bigger engines allowing faster passage times" (of course, my mistake, it won't cost a lot to run like a wooden boat!).

Where is his experience about plastic tat? Elsewhere in the 'magazine', there is an article (well written and interesting) about "replacing his boat's hydraulic hoses following a steering failure" - a Jeanneau Merry Fisher 855 only THREE YEARS OLD which despite maintenance needing complete renewal. Note elsewhere on the forums about a plastic tat that was originally fitted with BRASS skin fittings which a surveyor thinks that all the skin fittings needed instantly replacement.

I can contain myself anymore. How can PBO publish such tat. I suppose they now claim they are a 'platform' rather than a publisher. :disgust:

I doubt the PBO will publish my response in 'readers' letters'.
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One might say that you calling plastic Boats Tat is as bad as the person you are ranting about
 
tillergirl said:
Pour le avion, I thought I would buy a magazine for the flight. I thought a copy of the PBO would be a good idea. £4.85 a copy to occupy the 12 hour flight. And the cover article 'How to chose your next boat: power or sail'! Interesting perhaps.

And within a moment, before even take off, my ire had reached 30,000 ft. The author.. nay... the dork :disgust: who wrote the article covered 6 pages - yes 6 pages - including his personal boating history. And for his vast experience he writes extensively thus:

"Wooden boats? - If you actually want to go boating do not buy a wooden boat unless you live ten minutes away from it or have pots of money to pay someone to pay someone else to maintain it for you".

That's it. Noffin else. The vast experience of 4 decades has NO experience of a wooden boat but still managed to express to an opinion.

I have owned wooden boats for 4 decades. I admit I now live on Mersea but still doesn't qualify me to be within 10 minutes and for 30 years I lived in London. Amazingly TG has managed to float. Can't imagine how that happened. Pots of money? Mine doesn't qualify like him who now owns a BROOM 41 diesel gobbling oil well!

How can a dork write for the PBO. Where is his PRACTICAL experience? He wants a Broom 41 for "more entertaining space, better facilities for guests and bigger engines allowing faster passage times" (of course, my mistake, it won't cost a lot to run like a wooden boat!).

Where is his experience about plastic tat? Elsewhere in the 'magazine', there is an article (well written and interesting) about "replacing his boat's hydraulic hoses following a steering failure" - a Jeanneau Merry Fisher 855 only THREE YEARS OLD which despite maintenance needing complete renewal. Note elsewhere on the forums about a plastic tat that was originally fitted with BRASS skin fittings which a surveyor thinks that all the skin fittings needed instantly replacement.

I can contain myself anymore. How can PBO publish such tat. I suppose they now claim they are a 'platform' rather than a publisher. :disgust:

I doubt the PBO will publish my response in 'readers' letters'.
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I should think Denny Desoutter must be turning in his grave...
 
Bigplumbs said:
One might say that you calling plastic Boats Tat is as bad as the person you are ranting about
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A lot of new ones are, built down to a price that raises profits :encouragement:

put in a kitchen,bathroom, two tor three bedrooms ( none can be used at sea ) , a dining area with minimal stowage, then wrap them in thin grp to keep the water out
 
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Oh dear. I apologise. Bigplumbs won't understand the point. I better explain. It's an article giving advice about making the right and wrong choices for another boat. So presumably the author is writing about the things to avoid. So presumably he is only about plastic tat in the article; I don't mind plastic boats. Some, I'm told are good. Mine's ok, not brilliant, not bad, functional. TG on the other hand is wooden and will clearly sink in 11 minutes.

Denny will be giddy with spinning.
 
I'm surprised at PBO. We all make sweeping statements but for the author to make one about wooden boats in such a magazine seems a bit crass and certainly not 'practical'. It says more about him than the boats he has little experience of, so reduce your ire by looking at the duty free collection you've brought home.

If you do receive a reply from PBO then I'm sure you're right; it'll be a wan apology and to draw your attention to their disclaimer. I used to write for The Field and enjoyed a bit of sparring in my articles, but there's journalistic sparring and there's just plain ignorance!
 
Forgive them for they know not what they do [or say].
Many boat owners nowadays have not had the benefit of the experience of owning properly crafted ships.
 
Excellent rant, and spot-on. The article sounds like uninformed reducto-ad-absurdum taken to the furthest possible limit.

I am currently a plastic tat owner (I refer to it as a plastic floating caravan) and am not the least bit insulted by the TG's use of the phrase. Anyone who is needs to consider the reason & context behind its usage.
 
snowbird30ds said:
I'm not offended in the slightest, I usually describe myself as tupperware or stinky when talking to biogradables or raggies.
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:) Biogdegradable raggy beardies.

I hope the raft sailors among us aren't feeling left out (to monohull dinghy sailors a catamaran is a 'raft', to catamaran sailors a monohull is a 'transit').
 
Many years ago the late Bill Beavis referred to the late Bill Tilman in his "Looking Around" column in Yachting Monthly, then still edited by either Old Harry himself (owner of the er... plastic Trident 24 "Tinker Liz") or by Andrew Bray, as "the man who sank old pilot cutters".

This caused several of HWT's ex crew members to hit 30,000ft very fast indeed, the Editor’s intray groaned under the load of “incoming” and we can pretty much date the continuing rise in Tilman's reputation from that point.

I now own an old plastic boat, but for the first forty years of my sailing career I owned old wooden boats.

Mytica, built in 1947, owned by me 1973-83. Still going extremely strong:



Mirelle, built in 1937, owned by me 1984-2013, still going extremely strong - note that for most of those years I was living in Hong Kong, the Philippines and Mainland China and keeping her in the UK and doing all the work myself. So much for living a few miles away.




I share TG's wrath - and by the way when I last saw the lady herself she was laid up (looking very smart) near Arthur Holt's old yard at Heybridge, which is not very near London, or Mersea.

Once a boat is past her fortieth birthday, there is no real difference in the amount of work needed, or in the cost thereof.
 
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I think that Mytica is part of the forgotten past. When plastic was invented, it was logical for designers to plan in more cabin space as the growth of our leisure time increased. People wanting a first boat would obviously be attracted to the increase in space but would be unaware of the pleasures of a small wooden boat like Mytica. Our first wooden boat was apt to developing a bead of moisture beating to windward but how did she sail! She creamed along. Under anchor of course, the cabin was limited but sitting room was adequate. A 40ah battery was sufficient to start the Stuart - and indeed apt to provide the early electric boost which F1 now uses (I suppose I better explain - when motoring into Bradwell Creek against the wind but with the tide, if the Stuart wouldn't push enough, if you pressed the Dynastart for a critical couple of minutes, it would boost the Stuart - like an F1 car (it isn't a new idea, I just never patented it). Anyway back to the accommodation, the benefit of a centreboard allowed the seat back to slot between the case and the bunk edge to form a double bunk that was the best bunk in the East Coast (two subsequent owners will testify (Roy the lurker if he is reading can confirm)). But as a sailing boat, wooden and small was a very very good vessel. And good value.

Now Minn, you are in serious danger of being accused of pots of money ..... mind you I don't mind if you have ...... indeed I hope you have ...... and everybody on the Forum. But I fear this is a dream.

PS yes TG was laid up each winter there for 27 years. For this year it's Mersea but that is simply because I am getting ancient.
 
Mytica looks very much like my first cabin boat, a 1937 Johnson & Jago 2.5 tonner. Electric start Stuart? Pure decadent luxury. Ours had hand start, sometimes, if you were lucky. If you needed standing headroom you could go on deck.
 
tillergirl said:
I think that Mytica is part of the forgotten past. When plastic was invented, it was logical for designers to plan in more cabin space as the growth of our leisure time increased. People wanting a first boat would obviously be attracted to the increase in space but would be unaware of the pleasures of a small wooden boat like Mytica. Our first wooden boat was apt to developing a bead of moisture beating to windward but how did she sail! She creamed along. Under anchor of course, the cabin was limited but sitting room was adequate. A 40ah battery was sufficient to start the Stuart - and indeed apt to provide the early electric boost which F1 now uses (I suppose I better explain - when motoring into Bradwell Creek against the wind but with the tide, if the Stuart wouldn't push enough, if you pressed the Dynastart for a critical couple of minutes, it would boost the Stuart - like an F1 car (it isn't a new idea, I just never patented it). Anyway back to the accommodation, the benefit of a centreboard allowed the seat back to slot between the case and the bunk edge to form a double bunk that was the best bunk in the East Coast (two subsequent owners will testify (Roy the lurker if he is reading can confirm)). But as a sailing boat, wooden and small was a very very good vessel. And good value.

Now Minn, you are in serious danger of being accused of pots of money ..... mind you I don't mind if you have ...... indeed I hope you have ...... and everybody on the Forum. But I fear this is a dream.

PS yes TG was laid up each winter there for 27 years. For this year it's Mersea but that is simply because I am getting ancient.
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Mytica was actually a bit smaller than than a J&J and had a hand start Stuart. I did Walton-Flushing- Amsterdam- Harwich in her and Ned and Kate did Orwell- Falmouth and return and her present owners have been all over the West Coast of Scotland via the Forth and Clyde Canal.

Dear TG - whatever gives you the idea that I have any money? If I had any, my sailing career would not have been built round whatever was cheap at the time and could be fixed with simple hand tools!
 
Minn said:
Mytica was actually a bit smaller than than a J&J and had a hand start Stuart. I did Walton-Flushing- Amsterdam- Harwich in her and Ned and Kate did Orwell- Falmouth and return and her present owners have been all over the West Coast of Scotland via the Forth and Clyde Canal.
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She looks a bit like a Colne Pilot Cutter (I think that's what they were called and the lines were taken and scaled down a little for the Memory 19).

johnalison said:
Bloody wooden boats. They're as bad as vegans nowadays. Always preaching at us.
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How can you tell if someone is vegan...........?

Don't worry, they'll bloody tell you!
 
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