I hate to do this...but

I was in Ardfern last week and counted no fewer than 20 Rocna anchors in the marina. It may well have been the most common model that day.

Interestingly, not one of them was bent.

I also saw two new ones being fitted.

Is this a trend?
 
Just to fuel the thread :

I was looking at "Distant Shores Y7/9 Stockholm Archipelago" and oh wonder, what anchor do they use ?

Yep a "racnor" (RM term to avoid commercial backlinks)

These people do a lot of anchoring all around the world, I wonder what they say about the anchor, I asume this is a pre Chinese one.
 
newWave said:
Just to fuel the thread :

I was looking at "Distant Shores Y7/9 Stockholm Archipelago" and oh wonder, what anchor do they use ?

Yep a "racnor" (RM term to avoid commercial backlinks)

These people do a lot of anchoring all around the world, I wonder what they say about the anchor, I asume this is a pre Chinese one.
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Why do you assume that? It is quite a new boat.
 
SolentBoy said:
Why do you assume that? It is quite a new boat.
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I stand correct, the boat was on the London boat show in jan 2010.
So depending on when they started gathering cruising gear and stock depletion it may or may not be a racno.

Still the question remains as to the usefulness of the anchor, which was the actual question on the original thread. So some insight might be had from them.

This does not put me in the racno camp, I only wish to find out if the racno is still usefull even when made to spec or not.

I do not stand by Craig and his abuse, nor do I condone promoting a product under false pretence and misleading the customer (out of spec product and not RINA SHHP certified).
 
newWave said:
This does not put me in the racno camp, I only wish to find out if the racno is still usefull even when made to spec or not.
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I'm sure it would be useful, up the point that the performance was dependent on it being built of the specified steel, at which point it becomes a danger to you and your boat. Unless the owners have pushed the edge of the envelope on side loading, their input would not be that relevant, methinks...
 
The Rocna design is excellent and I believe it to be at least as good as anything else on the market. The problem lies with its construction. It is an unfortunate fact that unless you can carry out a hardness check on the shank of a Chinese made version you don't know exactly what you have.
 
I'm afraid I haven't been through the last four hundred contributions to this thread, so maybe this has been said already...

...why don't chandleries selling the 'R' anchor, keep a stamp/chisel/ice-pick and a mallet on the stand beside the product, so the authenticity of its construction can be tested on the spot, by any potential customer? I'd very readily shell-out for the real thing, having ascertained that it's not a defective copy.

I heard lately that half the medications we pay for are cheap, ineffective copies of the tested, authentic product. Hard to tell with pills...not so hard to test if the metal you're about to open your wallet for, is a bit soft.

The 'R' anchor's reputation has been seriously dumped-on here, but the conclusion to draw must be simple - if you already own one, test it then either use it with contented pride, or if it's a fake, drop it in the next bit of deep sea you cross, and buy a real one, making sure beforehand.

Just don't kid yourself before testing.
 
Rocna has been communicating to those who own their product and have asked about the multiple test results showing that they have (by Rocna's own definition) used substandard steel in their anchors, that they would be coming out soon with the definitive response that would put all naysayers to shame. I have received PMs taking me to task for my observations and testing on that basis. Well Rocna finally has published their answer.

(Drumroll.....) They have acknowledged that contrary to every statement they have previously made, that they do in fact use sub specification steel in their product, and have removed the bogus quality claims they were shocked, shocked to find on their website, just like the Inspector in Casa Blanca was shocked to find that gambling was going on in Ric's Cafe.

http://www.rocna.com/news/

You'll note in the press release that even though they have to cop to the obvious fact of manufacturing deception, they can't quite bring themselves to be completely honest even now. Instead of addressing the accusation that the sub standard steel made the anchor shank subject to bending on side loading, they pretend the issue is the anchor shank pulling apart in a straight line pull like taffy. That never was the issue, and any anchor of any design would similarly test as shown in the picture. They have simply dodged the problem they will continue to have with side load failure shown in a great many pictures documenting that effect.

I guess this proves what many have been saying for some time. The Rocna is probably a good design, but is sold at a premium price even though manufactured out of materials inferior to equally capable designs.

As always, buyer beware.
 
Judging by the time taken to respond, they do seem to have tried out every possible version of a wriggle that might put themselves in a good light, before reluctantly concluding that no suitable wriggle existed.

So, have they offered to refund hooks that aren't to the spec they were sold as?
 
It's also a pity that, after all this time, YBW has never told us about the results of their investigation.

Natalie's single posting on the subject is still held as a sticky at the top of this forum, but it all seems to have been swept under the carpet.
 
Twister_Ken said:
Judging by the time taken to respond, they do seem to have tried out every possible version of a wriggle that might put themselves in a good light, before reluctantly concluding that no suitable wriggle existed.

So, have they offered to refund hooks that aren't to the spec they were sold as?
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We will see. I have put that very question to them.
 
Twister_Ken said:
Judging by the time taken to respond, they do seem to have tried out every possible version of a wriggle that might put themselves in a good light, before reluctantly concluding that no suitable wriggle existed.

So, have they offered to refund hooks that aren't to the spec they were sold as?
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I wonder how Peter Smith feels about the decision to change his design specifications for the anchor. Perhaps Craig could tell us?
 
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