Hurley 22 - how much to offer?

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Based on all the wonderful advice I've received through this forum over the weeks I've come to the conclusion that a Hurley 22 would do me nicely for what I want and I've come across a 22(R?) (hull number 975, builders South Coast Marine). Although she's a bit scruffy she looks sound enough - a survey will tell. She's on at £4,200 but I've no idea what the range of prices for Hurleys could be - I've seen advertised prices but of course I don't know what they've actually sold for. It's a bit of an impossible question to ask as you can't see the boat but any idea where I should be pitching an offer, bearing in mind my tight budget? As ever, thanks for your advice
 
At 4K ish I'd skip the survey and just use your / your friends judgement - surveys are not cheap, spend the survey cost on the boat.

Hurley 22 is a lovely boat.
 
I dont agree,You can usually use any survey comments to barter with, the surveyor may pick up something difficult for an amateur to spot.

The survey report can also be used for insurance purposes .

If you decide to sell the boat within 3 or 4 years the Survey report may help the buyer choose yours over the other 2000 small boats advertised.

Re how much to offer it depends on the condition and age of equipment ,sails rigging etc. No good getting a "cheap" boat that needs thousands spent on her.on the other hand the market is flooded with small second hand cruising yachts so the buyer definitely holds the Aces.

Agree with Neddie S that the H22 is a good boat.We had a bilge keel one for a few years ,really enjoyed it.

To be honest £4200 sounds a lot for what you describe as a "scruffy" example. Look carefully at the sails rigging and engine.Each of which could be expensive items to replace ,if any are showing their age negotiate hard against the replacement costs.

H22 I dont know the boat or the owner ,its just an example.
 
On the link Duncanmack gave scruffy 22s are around the grand mark. Some very tidy ones around 4 grand. I'd keep looking.
I've sold two 18ft boats one a bit scruffy and one very smart. At the sort of age you're talkng about you only get about £1200/1500 So going up a step to 22ft I would suggest you're not going to have to pay more than £3500 for a good boat, a bit more for superb condition and around £2000 for a tired boat.
It's like cars though. You'll never make a tired Range Rover into an immaculate example and all the bits you buy are at new prices.
Buy the best you can at a reasonable price.

A quick look at Boats and Outboards brought up These

Wow, some people want a lot. I'd still aim at below £4000.
 
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Quite correct! In fact there's a case for a real scruffy small boat having virtually no value at all, because if you spend thousands on it there's always a ceiling beyond which you can't go when re-selling. You don't say if it's a private sale or through a broker? If the latter, that's probably inflated the price and maybe not by just the normal 8-10%. It does sound like to need to look around some more.
 
On the positive side it sounds like a late boat, maybe late 80's. A pal bought a smart one of this age (with hull pimples, which he fixed himself) plus a good 4 stroke outboard for £3,250. This was from a keen seller as it had hung about in the boat yard for a time. It sounds as if your man is being optimistic, the problem is he may poo-poo any realistic offer until he has had a couple of years to ponder matters. I know it is difficult to pass over a boat you have set your heart on but, as others have suggested, it might be a good idea to bung in your offer and look at others if it is not taken up. Good Luck.
 
'Scruffy' could just mean that it needs some cosmetic work that costs little to put right. I'm always amazed at people who just step off their boats at the end of the season and put them on the market without giving them a clean up and tidy. The last one I bought was like this, with the cabin full of a tangled mess of warps, fenders, running rigging, half used packets of food etc. Just clearing it out put £500 on the value, and in doing so I 'discovered' about £500 worth of brand new, not-yet-fitted spares.
Have a look here (about half way down the page) - it's about Corribees, but the basics of what to look for would apply to any small boat.
As Graham says, it's a buyers market at the moment. I bet you could offer half the asking price and still be taken seriously. If not, there are plenty of other boats on the market.
 
H22's are sound a solid boats. Those built by South Coast were not as heavy in the layup as the original Hurley marine but very strong nonetheless. Skip the survey..do it yourself but check that you can get it insured first without the survey. To be honest there are so many around that I would not buy until I had viewed half a dozen to get a feel for what is the going rate. I would negotiate on the price and don't get suckered in, there is always another one around the corner.
 
Its a buyers market in boats of this size, 22 foot no standing headroom, pretty worn out,i woulnt bother with a survey either,get a mate who knows about boats,and use him also go by your gut instinct,there are lots of these boats about for around the 4 grand mark,a set of sails will cost around £1.500,whats the outboard like? does she come with a trailer?make a realy low offer to start,you might be pleasantly surprised.best of luck
 
Agree that 4200 seems a lot for a scruffy boat. I know Simon's fin keel boat for sale on the owners website that someone else put in and it is absolutely immaculate and he wants around 5 for that. So 1K for a scruffy example and maybe 5 for an absolutely tip top one. The cost of getting a 1K boat to the same condition as the 5k boat would be enormous.
 
Wonderful little boats.
I suggest you talk to Nick Vass. Yacht Surveyor and main man in the Hurley Owners Association. Currently has a 24 but used to own a 22. Has huge archive of Hurley records and may know history of one you are looking at.
Nick@omega-yachtservices.co.uk
Also look at www.hurleyownersassociation.co.uk/index.htm
Good web site with details of different Hurleys and problems with each model
Good luck!
 
Totally agree with having a survey done.

If you think the surveyor is expensive, then think of the costs of any major fault he might find.

If he does not find that fault, then you can sue him.

Also as said, at sometime your insurance will require a survey anyway.

Hope the boat is good, and you enjoy sailing her..

Mj
 
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