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Swinging mooring £97 a year for up to 25 ft. Boat park £11 per month. Haul out on trailer a bottle of whisky. Yacht club £15 a year. But don't tell anyone!
How much does your hobby cost?
- Thread starter Sybarite
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Sybarite
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The most expensive marina in France (St Jean Cap Ferrat) is only marginally more expensive (4%) than the amount I quoted. But are you going to compare the Côte d'Azur with the Solent? In the Med you have at least 6 months of pleasant weather for sailing in the year.
You need rather to compare the North of France to the UK and we still have a few more months of better weather in S. Brittany...
Sybarite
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I think Brittany is a better comparison than Nice because of the geographical proximity. As far as boat populations are concerned I don't believe there is a marked difference in density between the Med and the Atlantic coasts. And don't forget that the sailing season is twice as long in the Med.
I will admit my comments were aimed at the S. Coast marinas. However on recent trips back home I found (for me) astronomical prices n Ireland too.
Tranona
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Geographic proximity has little to do with it. As I explained it is all to do with supply and demand for the key scarce resources. Brittany (and Normandy to an extent) are sparsely populated areas with little alternate demand fo water and adjacent land space. South Coast of UK and France is exactly the opposite. It is also little to do with boat density, it is only demand against supply, somewhat modified by the type of boating - little power on the Atlantic coast compared with the Med coast.
You get similar variation in the UK. Just look at prices in places such as Aberystwith compared to the Solent.
Same in Ireland - limited resources, high demand and a high earning population equals higher prices.
There is relatively little leakage from one area to another. How many UK owners such as me, living 10 minutes drive from a ferry terminal would contemplate moving my boat permanently to France to take advantage of the lower berthing costs. I know some do, but when you do all the sums against the restrictions in usage it does not make sense for most.
jason -and the arguenauts
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Not sure Aberystwyth is a good example - I got ripped off there for £30 overnight. It's the only marina between Pwllheli and Milford so I guess its got a local monopoly.
It is all donw to supply and demand. More people want to moor in the Solent than do in Britanny but if you look at prices in Med France you can see what will happen to prices further north if ever Britanny becomes as popular as the Med.
So the answer to mooring costs is to go where there are fewer people.
It is all donw to supply and demand. More people want to moor in the Solent than do in Britanny but if you look at prices in Med France you can see what will happen to prices further north if ever Britanny becomes as popular as the Med.
So the answer to mooring costs is to go where there are fewer people.
ChrisDownes
New Member
Quite reasonable where we are considering...
Deep water mooring £700
Lift out / in & hardstanding for winter £700
Insurance £170
This is for a Moody 33
Last year was £3000 for marina berth, £300 for lift in and out, £170 insurance
Deep water mooring £700
Lift out / in & hardstanding for winter £700
Insurance £170
This is for a Moody 33
Last year was £3000 for marina berth, £300 for lift in and out, £170 insurance
Litotes
Well-Known Member
I own my mooring and pay £80 per year to the owner of the rights to the peaceful creek where it is laid. I also pay around £50 per year to the man who laid the mooring to inspect it for me. The gear was replaced about 4 years ago and that cost me, I suppose, around, £600.
If I haul out, the cost will depend on where. There are plenty of places with very reasonable charges. I have never paid to anchor anywhere and know several places where I can pick up a mooring or lie alongside free of charge. I rarely visit marinas.
The area is lovely and the sailing excellent. I spent many years sailing from the west country and know the Breton coast very well indeed. Glorious though these places are, I would not swap them for the waters I sail in now.
If I haul out, the cost will depend on where. There are plenty of places with very reasonable charges. I have never paid to anchor anywhere and know several places where I can pick up a mooring or lie alongside free of charge. I rarely visit marinas.
The area is lovely and the sailing excellent. I spent many years sailing from the west country and know the Breton coast very well indeed. Glorious though these places are, I would not swap them for the waters I sail in now.
PeterGibbs
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You are right about opportunity costs and marine property. Apart from ice-bound northern Europe (winter) it is almost universal that time ashore costs more than in the water. Not yet in the UK. Over time I would expect this regime to impose itself in the UK too, but will the high cost of in water rebalance or will UK marina owners walk off with a double divvi? Answers on a postcard....
PWG
PWG
I assume working for a living is a distant memory in your case?
ParaHandy
Well-Known Member
The French came at this from a very different angle. They were, I believe, ahead of the UK in building a marina, with a housing development attached, through the active cooperation of planning, operator and local council. The difference with the UK was that the French municipality looked at the whole development; the yacht moorings brought new wealth, the housing brought revenue and wealth. They found they could balance whatever subsidy was required with the total increase in revenue to the municipality.
abedwell
New Member
moring in hythe marina is about £3000 a year, i cant remember the rest but last year the costs were about £6000. boating is a passion, not just a hobby 
charles_reed
Well-Known Member
I think Aberystwyth an error
10 years ago, before I left UK waters for more exotic climes, it cost £3000 for a 10m boat, with electricity chargeable on top of that.
However I agree with the supply-demand thesis. Rationing by price.
10 years ago, before I left UK waters for more exotic climes, it cost £3000 for a 10m boat, with electricity chargeable on top of that.
However I agree with the supply-demand thesis. Rationing by price.
charles_reed
Well-Known Member
You're wrong there.
In the Med it pays to be contrarian - out of water during the hot, overcrowded, windless summer months is seriously cheaper than out-of-water during the winter - I can usually get winter in-the-water for less than €250/month, even in Cote d'Azur East.
bobgoode
Well-Known Member
" How much does your hobby cost?"
depends:
per mile sailed?
per hour onboard?
Whether SWIMBO might read or hear my answer........
depends:
per mile sailed?
per hour onboard?
Whether SWIMBO might read or hear my answer........
drawkins
Well-Known Member
Different aspect here.Mooring at bottom of garden:free.All harbours free:insurance E65.p/a
miss the tides but penty of wet and windy sailing.Down the Shannon to France if you feel like it.
miss the tides but penty of wet and windy sailing.Down the Shannon to France if you feel like it.
puddock
Well-Known Member
You what?
I'm about 25 Nm away and pay £3300 a year berthing! (33ft boat).
Your water must be the cheap stuff is it?
lefkasman
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Swinging or alongside in Vliho Bay free (no charge)
winter storage in yard 27' fin keel 850 euros
winter storage in yard 27' fin keel 850 euros
Ubergeekian
Well-Known Member
£400 fully serviced all-tide marina berth
£80 third party insurance
Free use of scrubbing grid to clean bottom
£40 for antifouling every few years
pyrojames
Well-Known Member
Don't ask questions like thatThe other half's started to take an interest in this forum.
Now I'm getting: 'Maybe we should add up what last year cost us'
Oh dear. My sympathies.
Never add up anything regarding boat ownership, just deal with each bill as it comes along.
You know it makes sense. (and keeps you sane)
LostinFrance
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Sybarite, if St Jean is only 4% more than the one quoted then it is definately not the most expensive in France. Where I am in Port Medoc (Le Verdon) I paid €3400 this year for a 34 footer. This year they raised their prices by 40% - shades of MDL in the bad old days. Next year it will go up again because there is a waiting list at every port south of Bourgenay and I wouldn't mind betting there are a few ports further north than that with a waiting list. 5 years for La Rochelle and I have heard of 15 at Arcachon (unless you start greasing palms that is.....) Royan gave me an estimated time of 3 years. Even the mudberths on the Gironde are full and have waiting lists.
Most Marinas are run by the municipality and are reasonable, but Port Medoc is a commercial venture so they want to make money. So they will, and in fairness, although I dislike the way they take advantage of us, if they didn't invest millions of euros in building the marina I would knackered for a place.
However to put the prices in perspective, La Rochelle is €2400 per year for 34'
Rochefort €1400
How do you compare though, with the pound dropping through the floor for the last 2 years?
