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Before we get roped into this sort of scheme over here.

The Federal Government looks set to implement a multi-million dollar revamp of maritime security with a central command to take control of intercepting suspicious vessels.

Under the Government's $4 million plan, a new security command will take responsibility from the states and territories of a large security zone outside coastal ports.

Authorities will demand that ships passing through the zone, which could extend to 1,000 nautical miles, provide details of their journey and what they are carrying.

They will also be able to independently order the interception of ships.

The Government hopes to have the new maritime system come into force in March next year.

Prime Minister John Howard says the security zone will be a valuable step forward for maritime security.

Mr Howard says it will see most maritime security issues fall under the Federal Government's watch.

"It's just a way of making doubly sure that you know who wants to come to this country and what their business is," he told Southern Cross radio.

Mr Howard says there is no new terrorist threat.

"We haven't received some undisclosed additional warning that's caused us to do this," he said.

The Labor Party says the move is a belated step in the right direction.

Labor's Robert McClelland says the Government's move is purely a reporting mechanism and does not go far enough.

"Today's announcement by the Prime Minister relies too much on faith," he said.

"It will still be the case that ships can come deep inside Australian ports without even a cursory physical examination of the ship's manifest, the crew details or even the safety and security of the cargo and we say that's not adequate."

He wants more boats to patrol Australia's coastline and inspect approaching ships.



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Well we've already got our compulsory passage plan, wriiten or otherwise.

Thin end of the wedge ?

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But we, like most countries, already do have this sort of scheme. Prior notification before vessels can enter port, providing security information, crew details etc. It's designed for commercial shipping, not pleasure craft.

The UK details are available here
<A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/dft_transsec/documents/page/dft_transsec_029096.hcsp>http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/dft_transsec/documents/page/dft_transsec_029096.hcsp</A>

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Re: At the moment

The example of the 4$ billion if a major port was shut for a month shows the way that governments & port operators are thinking.

All known maritime security "events" involve vessels outside the code.

IMO's ISPS code lays an obligation on governments to “consider establishing appropriate security measures to enhance the security of ships for whom the provisions of this Code are not mandatory” I read that to mean us.

So! Do you think that our freedoms are secure?


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>>All known maritime security "events" involve vessels outside the code<<

You mean they have up till now. What concerns the security people is that someone could hijack a ship, fill it full of explosive, and take it off to it's original destination port, then Boom!

No, these procedures were put in place for a good reason, have been in place in the UK for a while, and I haven't been bothered by them at all, and my freedoms' don't appear to be eroded in any way that I can see.



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It's very necessary. Think of it in the context of aircraft, you wouldn't consider anything else. We've had this sometime for the ports.

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Re: Well

when I studied the ISPS code at Warsash the concerns expressed were much more about how to keep big ships safe from small boat actions and preventing access to ports from landside.

I'm glad it's not had any effect on your sailing and I hope that continues but I doubt it will.

I've seen security take hold in a variety of industries in the last 10 years. It becomes a catchall for increased control measures and it never takes a backward step.



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Re: So how far are you happy to go.

Will you accept restrictions on using your boat? Restricted areas? Increased inspection? More reporting? Licencing? AIS transmitters? ID cards to enter harbour facilities?

We are being told that the world is a dangerous place. We are being told that the UK is under threat and yet in the 80's I nearly got blown up three times in one day. That doesn't happen anymore, yet I'm supposed to surrender more and more freedoms because I'm told I'm more under threat. I find it puzzling.

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Re: So how far are you happy to go.

Who has suggested such things. Only you so far, using the example of a country the other side of the world adopting safety standards that are already in place here. Paranoia?

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Re: So how far are you happy to go.

I would accept a limited amount of what you mention. Restricted areas, inspection etc. Maybe ID cards too. I had different concerns in the eighties and early nineties too. Probably different areas to you. But now it's a different agenda? These guys have the will and wherewithal to cause a big one.

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Re: So how far are you happy to go.

Who has suggested AIS? The RYA know that it's been/is being considered by HMG.
Licencing? The light dues issue is seen to be an attempt to get revenue from yotties. Security authorities see it as a basis to register yachts & boats.
Restricted areas are already with us. Windfarms & warships are obvious areas but if you get very near to a Cunarder moored in Southampton you will be moved away.

A yottie was bounced by a security boat in Weymouth Bay and was horrified by their forceful manouvering and rather bad manners. He'd strayed near to a couple of anchored ships.

My contacts in shipping & yachting that interface with government & port authorities are convinced that the route to security is seen as control.

Which port is going to risk a multi billion pound loss of revenue, having imposed a security system on it's ships and it's customers, by giving un regulated boats free range indefinately.

20 years ago I'd never have believed that I'd have to turn up two hours early for a one hour flight or the RCD or worry about my sailing knife or being breathalized on my boat. Paranoia is driving the agenda that is limiting freedoms in every walk of life at present. Why should yachting be any different.

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Re: So how far are you happy to go.

These limitations are nearly all aimed at commercial shipping, not at pleasure boats, and being asked to stay away from boats in Portsmouth has been there for some time, and shows how little it restricts movement of pleasure boaters.



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Common sense?

If they start imposing restrictions I disagree with, I'll fight against them. I don't see much point in worrying about or fighting against, something which isn't there

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