How big is your chart table?

[sailorman]

Shackleton?

Its L8

 

[Poignard]

Its L8

Yes - it's 'up the wooden hill time.

 

[sailorman]

Yes - it's 'up the wooden hill time.

swimbo has bought the horlicks through

 

[Koeketiene]

Anybody got a full-size chart, and a tape-measure?

What do you consider 'full-size'?

Guapa's chart table is big enough for an Admiralty Leisure folio - with some room to spare.
Anything bigger it just a waste of space IMO.

 

[Coaster]

What do you consider 'full-size'?

A full-size Admiralty chart is A0 in size, i.e. about 1190mm x 840mm or about 47" x 33". However some charts are bigger. We have one which is significantly wider, evidently done to allow a certain area to be shown at a standard scale.

The Leisure Folio charts are A2 in size; one quarter the size of a standard chart.

We have a chart table which has ample space for a standard chart folded in half. Each of our standard charts has three fold lines, allowing it to lie on the table showing the left-hand, centre or right-hand half as required. Most boats in the 28' - 38' range seem to have a chart table of this size, except for recent models from builders that apparently consider paper charts relatively unimportant.

 

[Robin]

Our last three boats all had full sized chart tables. We had a Yeoman plotter on the last two boats in both cases set up under a perspex cover with the usual passage chart permanently in place under the cover. Larger scale charts were put on top of the perspex and held with the Yeoman clips which were stuck to the perspex with blue-tack. Since the Yeoman was smaller than a full sized chart and charts were folded to match it, the full sized table was a bit superfluous, but still nice to have as the skipper's office desk.

Our new boat is a mobo and has no chart table as such, but there are flat areas on the flybridge and the lower helm where charts can be used but the reality is with two plotters plus two laptops running nav programs with GPS there is no need for a permanent table.

 

[prv]

Since the Yeoman was smaller than a full sized chart and charts were folded to match it, the full sized table was a bit superfluous

I guess you could have installed a Yeoman Maxi - they go up to A0 size

It's true though that using a normal model of Yeoman more or less fixes your workable chart size. My table is built around the dimensions of the Yeoman Pro that's inside it, plus a little bit to hold an almanac or pilot book (and to cover the end of the fridge!).

Pete

 

[CAPTAIN FANTASTIC]

My chart table fits an is A0 size chart (approx 3 x 2 ft) which is half of a full size chart. No need to be bigger, especially now that most of us use electronic gadgets.

 

[Koeketiene]

A full-size Admiralty chart is A0 in size, i.e. about 1190mm x 840mm or about 47" x 33". However some charts are bigger. We have one which is significantly wider, evidently done to allow a certain area to be shown at a standard scale.

The Leisure Folio charts are A2 in size; one quarter the size of a standard chart.

Leisure Folio charts are 62 x 42.5 cm - that's about half the size of a full-size chart, not quarter size.

 

[Coaster]

Leisure Folio charts are 62 x 42.5 cm - that's about half the size of a full-size chart, not quarter size.

The leisure charts are about half the width and half the length of a standard Admiralty chart, so they are one quarter the size. You'd need 4 leisure charts to physically cover one standard chart.

A0 paper is twice as big as A1.

A1 is twice the size of A2.

A2 twice A3.

etc.

The A2 Leisure chart is thus one quarter the size of an A0 standard chart.

 

[Koeketiene]

The leisure charts are about half the width and half the length of a standard Admiralty chart, so they are one quarter the size. You'd need 4 leisure charts to physically cover one standard chart.

Quite - not fully awake yet

 

[Coaster]

Quite - not fully awake yet

To be fair it is still early.

Enjoy your breakfast.

 

[Koeketiene]

To be fair it is still early.

Enjoy your breakfast.

Just had it - working nights this week

 

[Coaster]

...working nights this week

Sounds tough.

Presumably you don't work sitting at a chart table?

 

[rogerhudson]

Can you point to any source for that assertion?

Personally I much prefer paper charts, so I'm certainly not advocating people sail with plotters only, but I can't see any justification that doing so will of itself lead to legal liability.

Physical objects do not of themselves have a "legal" or "not legal" status. Do you imagine a court will pretend that a plotter on board a yacht did not exist when they consider the facts of a case?

Since there's no specific requirement for a private pleasure yacht to carry any kind of chart at all, the only thing I can think of is that it might be seen as somewhat negligent not to have them in case the plotter failed. But if the plotter did not in fact fail, and so the absence of charts had no effect on the case, is such negligence (if it even exists) of any relevance in determining liability?

Pete

I think I was remembering when a racing yacht ( a 'celebrity' owner I think) was being prosecuted, I presume in Admiralty court, for having an erratic, dangerous, track across the Dover Straights TSS and was asked to produce his chart and log. There is something on chart status in Bowditch (might only apply in America, but it was refering to IMO).