geoid96
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That's fine except sod's law usually means that the empty luff slot is the one too leeward. Tacking before changing down isn't allways a convenient option.
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That's fine except sod's law usually means that the empty luff slot is the one too leeward. Tacking before changing down isn't allways a convenient option.
Bav34
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The MAIB report for the incident on the 28th of May mentions:
During the training, a number of material defects were identified. Of those, a number were rectified but others, notably: the luff foil on the forestay, instrument illumination, and the rigging of a second mainsail reef, were fully not rectified before the Myth of Malham race.
During the training, a number of material defects were identified. Of those, a number were rectified but others, notably: the luff foil on the forestay, instrument illumination, and the rigging of a second mainsail reef, were fully not rectified before the Myth of Malham race.
Koeketiene
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Searush
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If it was a halyard jam you would nead a bloody long knife to cut the sail away.
But once dropped I would imagine it was just too bloody difficult to handle and you probably would not want to open the front hatch to get it down below anyway.
Not really, if it's pulling, a quick slash up thro the foot seam to about 3-4' up will see it split from clew to head with a bang. Have you not cut material before? Once you start to cut along either the warp or the woof while applying some tension, it will rip all the way until the tension goes. Possibly the seams might stop it running all the way.
The concept of cutting up the sail AFTER it is down doesn't make any sense to me, I think it would make it less rather than more manageable. When handling sails on the foredeck in rough weather I always took the sail bag with me & tied it to the pulpit, then the sail could be stuffed in its bag leaving the sheets & halyard til last. That way you never have anything bigger than the sail bag to handle. Not experienced anything greater than 7/8 tho & long since converted to R/R for safety reasons anyway.
Boomshanka
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These pics don't seem to show any headsail on deck... only one or two people onboard *really* know what happened, the rest is just guesswork or conjecture [clicky]:
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fireball
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Never heard of RipStop?
Searush
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That sure looks like a foil to me, & a nicely folded headsail along the starboard bow.
Searush
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On jibs? I thought that was used to stop spankers blowing out cos the material (nylon) is so light.
Bosun Higgs
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Of course he hadnt . Would you sit down and write a full risk assessment when you were in that position?
Bosun Higgs
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Always amuses me how judgemental posters are when something like this happens. Never before realised how many sailing gods there are out there. But I wonder if the skipper being pilloried here ever joined in previous post accident feeding frenzies on YBW. For that matter, I wonder how many of the self righteous on here will end up also in the newspaper reports.
As far as I'm concerned, there but for the grace of God ........................
As far as I'm concerned, there but for the grace of God ........................
Pete R
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Strange it is not there on any of the other photo's or on the RNLI video.
Maybe they were getting ready for the next leg?
Searush
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It's there on the pic before, the other two are from the wrong angle to be able to see if it's there or not, so what's so strange? I haven't looked at the video.
westernman
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On my boat, furling the jib in anything over a F6 when pointing into the wind is almost impossible. It is possible when running pretty much dead down wind when the jib is blanketed by the main.
It the main is not up, then furling the jib in more than F6 is not possible.
It can be lowered, but getting it onto the deck can be a challenge - it really does want to go into the sea - even when heaved to.
However, the staysail which is hanked on, it always as good as gold. It never hits me on the head with the clew, and it can be raised and lowered in almost any conditions (worst I have experienced is F9) and can always be relied upon to come down onto the deck with little effort.
It the main is not up, then furling the jib in more than F6 is not possible.
It can be lowered, but getting it onto the deck can be a challenge - it really does want to go into the sea - even when heaved to.
However, the staysail which is hanked on, it always as good as gold. It never hits me on the head with the clew, and it can be raised and lowered in almost any conditions (worst I have experienced is F9) and can always be relied upon to come down onto the deck with little effort.
LADY B
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+1!!!!!
Koeketiene
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Really?
You would have considered taking an unknown/untested crew into a forecast F10?
Twister_Ken
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Would you too have set out to sail into narrow waters with an F10 in the forecast?
Elemental
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Into a forecast F10 with unknown crew? I'll not be sailing with you as a skipper then...
westernman
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From what I understand, the skipper reckoned that "later" meant 24 hours later and by then he would be tucked up in port.
An error of judgment rather than reckless?
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RobbieW
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Later is one of those pro-words in a forecast with well defined meanings:
Imminent; 0-6 hrs
Soon; 6 - 12 hrs
Later; 12 - 24 hrs
The skipper is described as a Yachtmaster Instructor so little excuse for not knowing this.
Phoenix of Hamble
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Quite.
I can never seem to remember what they mean, so have to look it up occasionally. Its in the almanac, so no excuse.