Tim Good
Well-known member
I wonder if anyone here understands the HMRC residency tests and might help with regard hold over relief after receiving shares? I wish to circumnavigate and take my time over it. I.e. more than a year without having to return to the UK.
Here are some facts:
1. My father passes shares to me in my family business as he is aging and wishes to do so in case he becomes incapable of making significant business decisions. I don't personally work in the business on a daily basis.
2. HMRC don't charge me capital gains tax on receiving these shares and give something called "hold over relief".
3. The conditions of the relief is that I remain a UK resident for 6 years without permanently emigrating.
4. The HMRC uses a residency test to determine if someone has emigrated.
5. This test means I have to spend a min number of days in the UK, for me 91 days minimum, possibly 180 days depending how the test is interpreted.
6. If I don't adhere to the min days then I become non resident, and I receive a huge tax bill for tax on the shares even if they haven't been disposed or sold.
7. Said tax bill is so high that our 180 year old family company would have to be sold in order to pay it.
The dilemma:
A: HMRC admits the residency test isn't intended to catch me, someone that wishes to go traveling and has not permanently emigrated but they also say i have to abide by their residency test.
B: I don't want to return to the UK for at least 91 days as I disagree with flying and the environmental impact. Plus there are going to be situations, i.e. in the pacific when flying back would be difficult.
Note: I have taken professional financial advice on this but the advice seems to differ depending on who I ask, including the HMRC. This is sensitive issue for me that has come about due to the untimely passing of my brother who was MD of the business, so please don't troll me on the basis it's a good problem to have. I'm just looking for interpretation from anyone who has acquired shares and then decided to sail around the world within 6 years of doing so. There much be a good deal of people that have done this.
Here are some facts:
1. My father passes shares to me in my family business as he is aging and wishes to do so in case he becomes incapable of making significant business decisions. I don't personally work in the business on a daily basis.
2. HMRC don't charge me capital gains tax on receiving these shares and give something called "hold over relief".
3. The conditions of the relief is that I remain a UK resident for 6 years without permanently emigrating.
4. The HMRC uses a residency test to determine if someone has emigrated.
5. This test means I have to spend a min number of days in the UK, for me 91 days minimum, possibly 180 days depending how the test is interpreted.
6. If I don't adhere to the min days then I become non resident, and I receive a huge tax bill for tax on the shares even if they haven't been disposed or sold.
7. Said tax bill is so high that our 180 year old family company would have to be sold in order to pay it.
The dilemma:
A: HMRC admits the residency test isn't intended to catch me, someone that wishes to go traveling and has not permanently emigrated but they also say i have to abide by their residency test.
B: I don't want to return to the UK for at least 91 days as I disagree with flying and the environmental impact. Plus there are going to be situations, i.e. in the pacific when flying back would be difficult.
Note: I have taken professional financial advice on this but the advice seems to differ depending on who I ask, including the HMRC. This is sensitive issue for me that has come about due to the untimely passing of my brother who was MD of the business, so please don't troll me on the basis it's a good problem to have. I'm just looking for interpretation from anyone who has acquired shares and then decided to sail around the world within 6 years of doing so. There much be a good deal of people that have done this.