Help - looking for 40 footer - don't know what I want!

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Help - looking for 40 footer - don\'t know what I want!

I have started the search for another boat to replace Corsair (victory 40) I sold 18 months ago.

Dilema - Corsair was a heavyweight go anywhere. We will not be doing "go anywhere" sailing as her indoors wants to cruise gently through the med - probably based for 4 -6 weeks at a time on board - twice a year.

So - A heavy weight is probably the wrong boat. However since I became boatless I have sailed extensively on a Beneteau 47.7 and less on a Bav 38 Holiday. Beneteau handles like a dinghy, despite iits size and is great fun, behaving well in rough down wind conditions. Bav handles like an uncontrolled pig in any seaway and wind - god knows what it would be like in a 8 down wind!

Beneteau shakes every time you hit a wave - very disconcerting on a long beat.

So I am almost convinced that I might go for an AWB - purely because of light weather performance and good living accomodation. But I do want a big engine - as Her in doors doesn't do thrashing to windward.

OK - so my Budget will be around £100K - so it will have to be older boats. Now here comes the problem. Every boat we looked at above 40 ft had teak decks. Some were on to their second deck, and others would obviously need a new deck during my ownership (56 now - so at least another 10 to 15 years)

The only boat we looked at with out a teak deck was a 2 year old Jeneau 45 - walking down the side decks cause a brittle creaking sound - what was that - delamination of the foam core?

Should I avoid teak decks? almost every european boat seems to have them. Or can you replace with something else later. I notice that most AWB do not have any fittings over the teak - so preparation costs removing and replacing will not be so bad. where as a Rasy would entail the removal of every stantion, cleat, chain plate going......

What does the team think?
 
Re: Help - looking for 40 footer - don\'t know what I want!

If functional is more important than pretty, buy awb with knackered teak deck (get quote for replacing deck on a Rassy with all the extra labour first and use it to terrify the seller into giving a big reduction /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif )

Now strip the teak off, fill screw holes if any and put non-slip deck paint down. If you're as accomplished a tightwad as me, I'm told that Sandtex masonery paint is good stuff.

If the engine's knackered - or even just a little bit tired - as well, that could be another bit bit of paper to torture the seller with. Do this with the electronics as well & he'll end up paying you to take it away /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
Re: Help - looking for 40 footer - don\'t know what I want!

Can't advise on the sort of boat that would suit you - it's too personal a matter in my view. However, I would not, under any circumstances, consider having teak decks if you intend keeping the boat in the Med/Caribbean.

Even the expensive yachts (Swan, H-R's and the like) have problems after a while unless they are meticulously maintained and washed down daily with salt water to reduce shrinkage or are covered.

We've over-wintered a few times in the Med. and watched at least a dozen owners re-bedding part or all of their decks during that time. Sure, the crewed boats decks seem to last longer, but I suspect like us, you can't afford a full time crew to look after this sort of thing.

Over the years we were there, we cocncluded that UV damage/heat caused more problems on boats than any other source. If the boat you end up buying has teak decks then I would live with it, but be prepared for some substantial work/costs in the future. All IMHO of course!
 
Re: Help - looking for 40 footer - don\'t know what I want!

We looked at a really handsome (I thought) Moody S38 at Moodys Used Boat Show yesterday. No teak deck, beautifully put together, 40hp, loads of space, and on your price. No connection whatsoever with me, by the way, except I have a much smaller Moody and was just curious! Can't remember what it was called but there's only one there.
It did have Moody's lousy teak-veneered ply in the cockpit but I expect you could get the price down to replace that with proper stuff.
 
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We looked at a really handsome (I thought) Moody S38 at Moodys Used Boat Show yesterday. No teak deck, beautifully put together, 40hp, loads of space, and on your price. No connection whatsoever with me, by the way, except I have a much smaller Moody and was just curious! Can't remember what it was called but there's only one there.
It did have Moody's lousy teak-veneered ply in the cockpit but I expect you could get the price down to replace that with proper stuff.

[/ QUOTE ]I know of a pristine (5yrs, but you would assume she is new) Moody 42 - owner is thinking of downsizing, but with brokerage at the rate it is, and having to pay storage ashore on top, and the fact that he is in N Brittany, he is not in a hurry to throw loads of money away to sell.... oh, and no teak deck.
 
Re: Help - looking for 40 footer - don\'t know what I want!

I hahn't realised that the sun was such a problem with teak decks. It appears though that ALL HR's etc have teak decks - and the broker said that you would not be able to sell it without teak decks. Personally I would jump at one without teak.

Another thing is the predominance of bloody roller furling mains - I really would not want them at all, but yet I did.nt see aboat without - except on rassy with a bolt rope - again not good for anything other than a racing crew.

Apparently very few American boats have teak decks - so perhaps I will buy over there!
 
Re: Help - looking for 40 footer - don\'t know what I want!

sounds like a good weeze - but the worry is that the average punter expects teak deck on a HR and its ilk. so perhaps selling on would be more difficult.
 
Re: Help - looking for 40 footer - don\'t know what I want!

Another good reason for not having teak decks in the Med is that they get so hot that it is impossible to walk or sit on them. White non slip paint is ideal as it looks good and reflects most of the sunlight.
All IMHO
 
Re: Help - looking for 40 footer - don\'t know what I want!

Chris - I'm whispering coz I don't want anyone else to hear, but I've got a soft spot for the Benny Oceanarse 411 as a Med boat. Big enough, loads of tankage, good big donkey (usually) and handles well under power. Buy one down there (lots for sale) and you won't have all the nonsense of a delivery trip. Plus it'll be biminied as well.

Sails all right if not brilliantly (better than your old double decker), doesn't mind a bit of heavy weather, and so what if it's got a roller blind for a mainsail. From what I've seen of the Med it's either drfiting weather or reefing weather.
 
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Hi Ken - probably the most sensible route - they are much easier to live in than the old double decker! I don't want any wood to maintain. I also saw a Bene 44 Center cockpit which looked good - hull shape very much like a holman and pye.

Still - no rush

By the way - how are your decks now?!!
 
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Another good reason for not having teak decks in the Med is that they get so hot that it is impossible to walk or sit on them. White non slip paint is ideal as it looks good and reflects most of the sunlight.
All IMHO

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Sorry but in my experience this is not the case.

I've had painted glass, painted aluminium, gelcoat on solid GPR and on foam core, and teak decking also - over a 20 year period in hotter climates. MHO is based on my practical experience.

I believe most med boats have teak as is it is cooler than a plastic or painted deck to walk on, does give better grip when wet, can readily be hosed or bucketed down readily to help cool off below decks - and of course, it always looks better than paint or plastic.

Exposed teak certainly does have a need for care if you want it to last a longer time - but I certainly do not have paid crew and manage to keep mine looking good.

My expectation is for a ten year life. With resale values higher when a deck looks like new, I've no issue in making that re-investment when it may be needed.

Hope this helps.

Cheers
JOHN
 
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