Help by experienced sailors wanted in moving my boat by sea

[Rock Dodger]

It's actually quite opaque - but then all the nuclear subs are, strictly speaking, steam vessels - it's only surface vessels that use gas turbines and diesels.

I think we have wandered off course. The comment mentioned coal, which I believe is no longer used in RN ships (apart from the fireplace in the Captain's cabin, that is?). The RN still calls them "stokers" but they don't actually do any stoking, or do they??

 

[jerrytug]

"I have had a few quotes from "professional" skippers at £200 a day but they will drive her hard through the night.."

I am not sure that a truly professional skipper would do this, particularly as they would be liable for any damage. Ideally you want them to get it from A to B as quickly as possible, especially when the rate is £200/day, which logically would involve non stop sailing. After all if you paid someone to deliver your car from A to B you wouldn't want them stopping every 50 miles, would you. Get someone who will act as crew and pile on the miles to your Day Skipper experience. Do it in manageable hops, you'll learn a lot about your boat, coastal navigation and particularly about yourself.

Delivery skippers aren't "liable for any damage", something always breaks on a delivery, would you seriously consider delivering some UV'd to feck old (or new) knacker if you were going to be " liable", not really!

 

[WoodyP]

About 10 years ago, when I was a brand new Dazed kipper with no experience, I bought a boat at Brighton, and needed to get it back to the Wash. A small ad on here resulted in a reply from StephenH who came and helped me. Vastly more experienced than me, but laid back he gave me huge confidence and over a few days we arrived back at our home port.

Another reply resulted in a pompous ass who knew it all and felt the need to tell me I knew nothing and shouldn't do it, and he wouldn't be helping.

I paid board and lodging and train fares, and it suited Stephen who didn't have a boat but loved to sail, and it suited me who had a boat but didn't have the confidence to sail it on my own. Good luck with your quest.

 

[Rock Dodger]

Delivery skippers aren't "liable for any damage", something always breaks on a delivery, would you seriously consider delivering some UV'd to feck old (or new) knacker if you were going to be " liable", not really!

Professional delivery skippers should carry insurance and any defects should be brought to the attention of the owner before taking on the delivery after a thorough inspection of the vessel. If a skipper rams a million pound yacht into the Wolf Rock Light do you think the owner would accept the "not liable for any damage" line? If the skipper said that, then the likelihood of action by the yacht's insurers is real and as a lot of yacht owners are high net worth individuals, then his "m'learned friends" will be wheeled in as well.

 

[alant]

Professional delivery skippers should carry insurance and any defects should be brought to the attention of the owner before taking on the delivery after a thorough inspection of the vessel. If a skipper rams a million pound yacht into the Wolf Rock Light do you think the owner would accept the "not liable for any damage" line? If the skipper said that, then the likelihood of action by the yacht's insurers is real and as a lot of yacht owners are high net worth individuals, then his "m'learned friends" will be wheeled in as well.

Do you really think that any insurance company would?

 

[Rock Dodger]

Do you really think that any insurance company would?

Yep, definitely. Imagine if it is your million pound yacht that is trashed by a delivery skipper (or even expensively damaged). If the delivery skipper doesn't cough up would you say, "Oh, OK mate, that's alright, I'll pay for it to be put right."? You may well claim against your insurance and your insurer would then either tell you to "Sod off" (I think that is the correct legal terminology) or counterclaim against the delivery skipper's insurers. If the delivery skipper has no liability insurance, and you were a HNW individual, would you say, "Oh, OK mate, that's alright, I'll pay for it to be put right."? Well you might, but, I suspect you would be straight on the blower to Messrs. Sue, Grabbit & Runne to squeeze said delivery skipper until the pips squeaked.

 

[JumbleDuck]

Yep, definitely. Imagine if it is your million pound yacht that is trashed by a delivery skipper (or even expensively damaged). If the delivery skipper doesn't cough up would you say, "Oh, OK mate, that's alright, I'll pay for it to be put right."? You may well claim against your insurance and your insurer would then either tell you to "Sod off" (I think that is the correct legal terminology) or counterclaim against the delivery skipper's insurers.

My insurance covers anyone who is skippering the boat with my permission, whether me, friend or paid delivery skipper. I know because I asked them.

 

[Daydream believer]

I think we have wandered off course.

Yes i reckon we have
Some geezer asks for help to sail his boat from a to b & decently offers a bit of cash to help with expenses etc gets a lecture on coal fired ships etc etc
Followed by a drift about suing him for a million quid for running on the wolf rock
Poor s..d will be running for cover

 

[ghostlymoron]

That's the way things go on here. Gradual divergence from the original question. The first few responses are usually the most useful.

Yes i reckon we have
Some geezer asks for help to sail his boat from a to b & decently offers a bit of cash to help with expenses etc gets a lecture on coal fired ships etc etc
Followed by a drift about suing him for a million quid for running on the wolf rock
Poor s..d will be running for cover

 

[Daydream believer]

That's the way things go on here. Gradual divergence from the original question. The first few responses are usually the most useful.

But the others are more fun:encouragement:

 

[Storyline]

But the others are more fun:encouragement:

Sometimes the threads are a bit like Chinese whispers, wandering further and further o/t until they come back to the original question. I know because I am more guilty than most.

 

[James W]

I must say that on that subject the professional world (as opposed to those that do it for sport/leisure) of yachting/boating/fishing world I have found is full of neer do wells and chancers (ive met my fair share i must say, that have tried to rip my back teeth out

I can completely concur with this statement, apart from a very few notable exceptions that I hope to give my business to for the rest of my sailing life.

I'd love to help, but i'm not hugely experienced myself. Best of luck though and don't give up hope of finding someone!

 

[Pye_End]

Have been trying to find a link to the story a few years ago when an expensive motor yacht was holed by a delivery skipper and one crew by hitting a buoy. Seemed to remember that this ultimately got very expensive for the two on board, but the details of why the boat insurance did not pay up eludes my memory. It may well be worth double checking the position with whoever you are insured with.

 

[Concerto]

Sometimes the threads are a bit like Chinese whispers, wandering further and further o/t until they come back to the original question. I know because I am more guilty than most.

Your forum handle say it all. LOL

 

[JumbleDuck]

Have been trying to find a link to the story a few years ago when an expensive motor yacht was holed by a delivery skipper and one crew by hitting a buoy. Seemed to remember that this ultimately got very expensive for the two on board, but the details of why the boat insurance did not pay up eludes my memory. It may well be worth double checking the position with whoever you are insured with.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/mar/17/samjones.uknews2

In that case, though, the issue was negligence, not insurance cover.

 

[Iliade]

I hope there was a lot more to it than meets the eye when reading the article: Yacht's navigation system fails, 40' yacht proceeding at 18kt in 'rough' sea (may have been required to hold a course? May have been well within boats limits?) cox actually at helm. Hits buoy. Sinks.

So, if I were not where I was being told I was and hit an object in the dark (container, buoy, anchored boat, rock, lighthouse) that would be construed as negligent? Was the buoy lit properly?

Would the lack of financial inducement have meant a lesser expectation of competence?

Sounds on the surface to be a good case for shying well away from that insurer...

 

[Pye_End]

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/mar/17/samjones.uknews2

In that case, though, the issue was negligence, not insurance cover.

If the insurance had paid up then they would not needed to have sued the delivery crew.

Was there not something about the fact that were paid a factor in the outcome of this case? There was discussion at the time that paid skipper/crew should be separately insured for exactly this situation as they would otherwise be personally liable as was the case in this story.

 

[Lakesailor]

funny trying to watch the professional skippers trying to make a meal out of this..... dead easy...I'm in charge, my boat, I call the shots, im fully insured....anyone that is interested in coming along for the ride would have to trust me if i decline to give my gift as that is the nature of the beast but most DECENT people generally get a feeling for whats right and wrong. I must say that on that subject the professional world (as opposed to those that do it for sport/leisure) of yachting/boating/fishing world I have found is full of neer do wells and chancers (ive met my fair share i must say, that have tried to rip my back teeth out)....although theres good and bad in all i suppose.....anyways Ive already had a good response so there are some nice friendly people out there who have a vast knowledge and experience that dont necessarily want to bleed you dry.

Come on chaps - it's just someone trying to get some crew for a delivery trip. Delivery companies do it occasionally. Let's not make such a (apocryphal) meal of it.
I'd query if PBO is the right place to ask such a question and with the sketchy information provided would be unlikely to look at it any farther.
Probably realises that a professional delivery skipper might decline the contract.

Agree with that Charles. There's always some on here that will see only the negative side when the OP is just seeking experienced help.

It sounds like you don't want to drive her hard through the nights, so why not just break it into a series of day sails? You could then invite sailors local to each leg to hop on board for an enjoyable day sail, thereby gaining from their local knowledge, which will almost certainly be more comprehensive than that of a skipper less local. If you then chose to buy them dinner and a train ticket home afterwards I'm sure everyone would be happy.

Im amazed how a simple request for help can be turned into a debate as to whether the OP is right, wrong or tight concerning the move of his boat, unreal, all they want to do is get it from A to B three men in a boat style, how many of you on here are happy to pay your local main dealer for a full service or to fix whatever on your boat or engine ?? or is it more likely you will ask your cronies down the local yacht or boating club about how to do this or that, or simply post a question in a forum to find out how to do it, or get a mate round cos they can do it cheaper !!

How many questions are posted every day on this forum asking for information on how to fix whatever so the OP's can save a bit of cash ??

Isnt that what the OP of this thread is doing ??

After all it seems that most members on PBO seeking advice on how to fix or how to do whatever want a professional service, but dont want to pay for it, am I right or am I wrong.

How nice to come across a thread where (apart from one or two doom-mongers) people are supportive. The OP isn't trying to scam anyone for the "awesome" adventure and the MCA and insurers are not on Red Alert.
I hope he gets sorted and has a grand trip.

 

[alant]

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/mar/17/samjones.uknews2

In that case, though, the issue was negligence, not insurance cover.

So how, would having his own insurance, have helped the skipper?
Can't see any paying out on negligence.

 

[jordanbasset]

Surely any insurance will pay out if negligent, perhaps if it was grossly negligent involving some some wilful recklessness they may be reluctant to pay out, but I would have thought many insurance claims were the result of a mistake some where down the line.