Heavy Weather Suvival

VO5 said:
AAdditionally this nasty sniping from detractors who ought to be learning instead of behaving the way they do will not deter me from presenting the facts :~
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So maybe you could clear up a little bit of confusion.

Are you or are you not "Albert" from here

A few facts....
Albert from Gibraltar sails a Westerly Sealord 39 Centre Cockpit sloop. Sound familiar? And is possibly alone, apart from your good self in calling the Spanish "medieval" on a sailing forum. And in addition to having an identical style of posting as your he own also dismisses JSD but has unending faith in seabrake.

You have to admit the similaraties are quite startling.

People have argued for the existance of god on less.

Perhaps you could explain these strange coincidences, otherwise people may well jump to the wrong conclusions.
 
I'm in the Jordan series drogue camp although I don't own one. My sailing is done with local coastal stuff with careful weather planning. I have considered assembling a JDS though.

What has not been mentioned in this discussion is the relatively cheap cost of the Seabrake at roughly $220. It is also easy to replicate if your equipped with the normal sail repair gear. Single cone drones like this are regularly used locally by amateur fishermen offshore.
 
fishermantwo said:
I'm in the Jordan series drogue camp although I don't own one. My sailing is done with local coastal stuff with careful weather planning. I have considered assembling a JDS though.

What has not been mentioned in this discussion is the relatively cheap cost of the Seabrake at roughly $220. It is also easy to replicate if your equipped with the normal sail repair gear. Single cone drones like this are regularly used locally by amateur fishermen offshore.
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You probably do not need really serious storm gear if what you describe as your habitual sailing activity is as you describe.

However, and I repeat this again : I have no commercial interest.

I think it is really irresponsible of you to make the statements that you do make in your second paragraph.

It is not easy to replicate with a sail repar kit as you suggest.

The Seabrake is constructed to given specifications for different sizes of vessels.

There are ratios between the diameters of the orifices and the distances between them including the slot.

These ratios have been arrived at by repetitive tank testing and long periods of research by the manufactures who actually hold a patent in your country.

What you are therefore encouraging is contraventrion of patent rights.

Additionally, it seems to me you are the victim of muddled thinking.
The Seabrake is constructed incorporating TWO cones, not one.
 
VO5 said:
You probably do not need really serious storm gear if what you describe as your habitual sailing activity is as you describe.

However, and I repeat this again : I have no commercial interest.

I think it is really irresponsible of you to make the statements that you do make in your second paragraph.

It is not easy to replicate with a sail repar kit as you suggest.

The Seabrake is constructed to given specifications for different sizes of vessels.

There are ratios between the diameters of the orifices and the distances between them including the slot.

These ratios have been arrived at by repetitive tank testing and long periods of research by the manufactures who actually hold a patent in your country.

What you are therefore encouraging is contraventrion of patent rights.

Additionally, it seems to me you are the victim of muddled thinking.
The Seabrake is constructed incorporating TWO cones, not one.
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By sail repair kit I mean an industrial sewing machine and a selection of sail cloth, ripstock nylon and webbing. Like millions of others world wide I have manufactured sea anchors before and not concerned by the patent police. The dimensions of cones and slot size is easy to calculate from diagrams.
 
fishermantwo said:
By sail repair kit I mean an industrial sewing machine and a selection of sail cloth, ripstock nylon and webbing. Like millions of others world wide I have manufactured sea anchors before and not concerned by the patent police. The dimensions of cones and slot size is easy to calculate from diagrams.
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Aren't you funny as well ?

First you say Aus $200 is cheap....then you go to extreme lengths to copy a patented product manufactured under license in your own country....I dunno...:rolleyes:
 
details of sea brake

for the JSD is very easy to find all the data and how to DIY - size, material, etc - full data!
can not say the same for the sea brake !
please can someone post more information for the sea brake - just curious!
regards
 
VO5 said:
The facts are that the Seabrake is constructed as a result of extensive research trialling and modification to achieve a variable pull when needed most.

It has been extensively tank tested and tested live in the Bass Strait.

It has been adopted by the Australian Coastguard.

In tank testing and in the open sea it has been found that one other significant feature of this configuration is that the chute remains stable and does not spin at all.
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Mr VO5, or is it Albert? can you provide evidence of the Seabrake tank testing and of the extensive research trialling?

Can you also provide evidence of the Australian Coastguard adopting Seabrake?

The Seabrake website makes no claim of tank testing and only provides evidence of one trial.

Actually I think Seabrake looks a useful product but like all other "single component" drogues I would be worried about it coming out of a wave and therefore ceasing to slow the boat
 
michaelchapman said:
I am surprised you say that with a little bit of sail up you had just enough to maintain steerage.
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I remember this trip like it was yesterday because of the problem with the steering.

We did try bare poles but found just a tiny scrap of mainsail (about 1/3 of the size i would expect a trysail to have been) worked better with that boat in those conditions. In-mast furling main Main bye the way.
 
40 - 50 knots in biscay for 3 days in our 45 footer (Xc45). 3rd reef main & staysail up and sailing at 6-8 knots at 45 - 50 degrees.
We had reasonable waves but was all good.
Issues we faced / would have faced. It took 3 people to get the staysail down and storm jib up. One helming and 2 on foredeck.
If it had been sustained over 50 I think we would have had to change the plan. Motoring slowly into large seas and wind is a reasonable option - depends on your rudder. If its a blade with no leading skeg then you have to be careful about being pushed back. Thats why I favour the drogues (2 in series) with chain - as opposed to sea anchor.
Heavy Weather Sailing by A Coles is a good read...
I also think there is A LOT of luck involved. Freak waves being the random factor in all best laid plans.
Matthew
 
fishermantwo said:
I'm in the Jordan series drogue camp although I don't own one. My sailing is done with local coastal stuff with careful weather planning. I have considered assembling a JDS though.

What has not been mentioned in this discussion is the relatively cheap cost of the Seabrake at roughly $220. It is also easy to replicate if your equipped with the normal sail repair gear. Single cone drones like this are regularly used locally by amateur fishermen offshore.
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This might help! :D

http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=289214
 
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