Headlining Adhesives

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<Edited 7 th July 14. I have completed most of this task and have posted a further query today, later in the thread.>

I have to replace the headlining on my boat. I have sourced some foam back Vinyl and want some advice on adhesives. I am aware of Hawke House offerings but suspect equivalent trade adhesives may be cheaper. Anyone know what those may be? I am probably looking for a paint on for the hard surface and spray for the foam backed vinyl which will bond to the glue applied to the hard surface (GRP)

Low fume would be nice but I am aware of the need for appropriate masks and ventilation.
 
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davidpbo said:
I have to replace the headlining on my boat. I have sourced some foam back Vinyl and want some advice on adhesives. I am aware of Hawke House offerings but suspect equivalent trade adhesives may be cheaper. Anyone know what those may be? I am probably looking for a paint on for the hard surface and spray for the foam backed vinyl which will bond to the glue applied to the hard surface (GRP)

Low fume would be nice but I am aware of the need for appropriate masks and ventilation.
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I used an ordinary contact adhesive. As you plan, painted onto the deck head, aerosol spray onto the lining. I can't remember the make but it may have come from Screwfix.
I used a mask with twin organic solvent filters.
Make sure your electrics don't spark if you switch them on or off; I've seen the effects at close quarters of a contact adhesive explosion!!
 
I bought some cheap alternative to the Hawke House recommendation. I then had to spend hours cleaning off my mistake with 'intense tar remover', buy some new vinyl, and order a load of the right glue from Hawke House after a long free advice session from them on the phone.

You may well not be as unlucky as me. You might however _appear_ to be lucky only to have the adhesive fail on you in a year or so's time because some combinations of lining types and some glues become plastic over time.

HH really know what they're talking about and this is possibly the single worst job on a boat. So strongly recommend doing it right first time rather than possibly saving yourself a few £.

Here's my handiwork: http://www.yacht-forum.co.uk/blogfiles/1448.jpg

Good luck!!
 
3M makes an aviation grade Velcro; it is far superior to the other stuff and is used to hold the plastic aircraft interiors to the aircraft ribs.

A good bit of glue on the male strip and stick it on the interior GRP then after careful measurement glue the other part to the under side of the trim. You can always remove the panel later but it is quite difficult... Good luck
 
Monique said:
3M makes an aviation grade Velcro; it is far superior to the other stuff and is used to hold the plastic aircraft interiors to the aircraft ribs.

A good bit of glue on the male strip and stick it on the interior GRP then after careful measurement glue the other part to the under side of the trim. You can always remove the panel later but it is quite difficult... Good luck
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Do you mean 3M Dual Lock? If so, it does not have male and female strips - both strips are the same (lots of tiny plastic 'mushrooms' which interlock). I too have used it to secure our re-covered headlining panels, but supplemented the original adhesive with epoxy on both strips - and found I still had to use the odd capped screw fitting on a few strongly curving parts. As you say, it's necessary to place the strips accurately - it's too expensive (for me at any rate) to use the # pattern of Velcro strips to make position fixing less critical. It does give a headlining clear of visible fixings - but as you also say, takes quite a bit of pull to unlock!

But the original question was about fixing the headlining fabric to the GRP (deckhead, I presume), and because I had panels I avoided the use of foam-backed vinyl and used the plain fabric-backed variety with a waterproof wood glue. Not an option for the OP with foam-backed.
 
davidpbo said:
In the past I have used a white paint on impact adhesive from I think Evo Stick, low odour. Anyone know what type or name?
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I have completed a lot of the work. I keep hoping I have done the awkard stuff but it is all awkard on a 24ft boat when you are 6'2".

I struggling with getting foam back vinyl to stick to varnished wood. There are many places where the main panel is overlapped onto varnished woodwork (foam removed) and a small covering panel glued over.

The waterproof Pva glues mentioned above is recommended but I still don't know which ones they are and would be grateful if somone could supply a trade name or link. I have access to B&Q, Homebase, Wickes, Toolstation and Screwfix.

I intend to use the covering panel with the foam backing on to cover iregularities.

Also I am struggling where the vinyl is turned over so the face of the vinyl has to be stuck either to another vinyl face or to a varnished surface. I don't really want to use the adhesive I have which welds the vinyl as it cannot be separated at all and cant be removed if a spot gets somewhere it should not (inevitable when working in a confined place with complex curves).

I have Copydex and will try that but am open to other experience.
 
fergie_mac66 said:
get a electric glue gun 15£ or so... there are dif time glues 30sec 60 sec 90 sec glues
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Already have them, but am not very good with them. Have you used one with foam/vinyl? I would imagine it would melt it. Mine does not have any temperature adjustment, are they available with?

I will have a go, maybe with the small one.

Do the numbers you refer to refer to the set time? Are they temperature related.
 
settime, I've not had prob with foam or vinyl . Would only use for those awkward finishing corners think there are some temp controlled guns an glue but I havent used one

edit seem to time DYLANW used one to tack up drooping headlining pm him about his usage
 
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Where my car headlining...a foam backed sort of plastic made cloth effect... was sagging in a fairly large area , I loosened off the edges under the edge trim and sprayed 3M 77 up. Then used a small paint roller on the outside of the cloth to smooth and pressure it onto the glue. It's worked ok.
 
I have used spray carpet adhesive successfully on different types of jobs.
It's not permanent but needs a determined effort to remove it.
 
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As said previously The waterproof Pva glues mentioned in the threads above are recommended for the particular task i have left but I still don't know a brand name and type for one.If somone could supply a trade name or link I would be grateful. . I have access to B&Q, Homebase, Wickes, Toolstation and Screwfix.

In particular I am having difficulty bonding the FACE (i.e. not the back with its woven cloth back) of vinyl, where it has been turned over the foam backing, to varnished wood.

The impact adhesive I have been using does not seem to bond too well to the vinyl face. It is fine bonding the back to board.
 
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