Headline - AWB Manufacturers take out contract on Twister_Ken

Sound familiar?

For crying out loud what's wrong with you guys?

This AWB vs Trad owners debate seems to be getting as heated and polarised as the Mobos vs Raggies issue!

I'd forgotten just how unhappy some people are unless they are upset about something!
 
"Ah now well you see, IMHO for too long YM and other so called sailing mags has been pandering to their advertisers".

That hoary old chestnut again! If you had ever worked on one of the major yachting magazines you'd know that you were writing bo11ocks.


(Sorry, just noticed that you are a new user, I should have been kinder /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif)
 
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At least I now know for sure why the frequenters of this BB have such an appalling reputation!

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Are you suggesting that yachtsmen express opinions on matters outside of this forum? Sorry I don't believe you!

Next you will be telling me that I am not in risk of falling off the edge of the world if I sail beyond WiFi range of Haslar marina.
 
the frequenters of this BB have such an appaling reputation?

Is that true? I keep on saying that they're all fullishite and should change their ways but they don't effen listen.

EDIT: Oh welcome BTW, and enjoy it.
 
One of the more sensible comments on this issue came from a chap who owned a boatyard and a Thames Barge (how trad can you be?).

His line was simply "There is no such thing as a bad boat". Tend to agree with him. I don't even know which category mine falls into, but she is white (almost) /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Slamming is, it seems a facet of modern hull design, and has nothing to do with displacement.. Najads do it, Rassey's do it, in fact all modern, fast boats do it!! I have just returned from a non stop (8 days and nights) 1600 mile trip from Gibraltar to Split in a 40 tonne Oyster 62. In the couple of gales we encountered, boy, did it slam!!!

A propos the TK article, it's been done by him before (in PBO??), and it does I confess, get my goat a bit - it's a pointless bit of writing, even if tongue in cheek. Like I say, if a £1.68 million Oyster 62 can slam and "batter the waves into submission" then I'll put up with the odd "bump" from my Bav. I really don't want a £15K old timer with all it's assocoiated hassle thanks......

Maybe, YM should employ someone as articulate as TK to write a rebuttal, all in a sense of fairness of course.
 
I've sailed a few modern(ish) AWBs and they are alright. Some are fun, many are fast, all are comfortable holiday accommodation, none appeared dangerous if you accepted their limitations. I can't afford one though so have a small MAB (which I always thought stood for 'manky auld boat' BTW)

However - all the AWBs I have sailed DO slam going to windward in conditions where our Vega does not. By and large I would prefer to be in our boat in bad weather on a long passage than in most of the others I have sailed, given equivalent levels of equipment.

If I had more money I still would not get an AWB - I would get a less old, bigger MAB. If money was no object I would probably be looking at a Rustler 36 or 42 or something similar - old design, old technology but brand new and bombproof.

That is my personal preference though, and it doesn't mean that there's anything wrong with AWBs. For most people space and comfort is more important than seakeeping and they don't intend any heroics. If they do, then good luck to them - I'd certainly rather go round the world in a modern Benny (with maybe a couple of mods) than in a plywood Caprice like Shane Acton did. Stingo did it and now he's going to get something even less traditional . . . it's the sailor, not the boat.

AWBs are exactly what lots of people want. They are good value for money. In any event, any boat is better than no boat, and if you like your boat, can afford it and it does what you want then you have cracked it.

If you can also write tongue in cheek nonsense for a major yachting mag and get paid for it then so much the better! Watch out for my forthcoming article entitled 'Small is Beautiful' in which I slag off every boat ever built over 28ft LOA.

- Nick
 
I own a SHE 32 and recently chartered a brand new Bav in Scotland. The Bav didn't sail at all well to windward, sailed well off the wind but even then tried to come up into the wind all the time. Plus points - COMFORT! Shower, hot water. You pay your money and make your choice - there's no such thing as a boat that does everything well.. For me, sailing performance and design matters more than showers and 7' standing headroom..
 
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