Boat2016
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Wrong audience here , they mostly like boats with stuff like guardrails .
One step at a time .
You speak for yourself, always nice to see a variety of boats on here.
Hawk 38 in Lymington
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You speak for yourself, always nice to see a variety of boats on here.
KINGFISHER 9
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I was glad to see they'd parked the thing next to a proper boat … :encouragement:
MapisM
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Just don't dare suggesting such comparison to FB.
He didn't call it STRUCTURAL foam for nothing...!
MapisM
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Wrong point, I'm afraid - just look at the above pics, and you'll see guardrails in all of them.Wrong audience here , they mostly like boats with stuff like guardrails .
One step at a time .
Along the same lines, my Fountain did have guardrails.
And I am talking of boats whose ballpark speed is almost twice any Itama...
Amati's work was outstanding in many ways, but with all due respect for a memorable compatriot of mine, this blatant concession to form over function wasn't one of them.
Portofino
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symbol was a bit of humour aimed at the conservative std FB with grandmas living room and guard rails etc . Can't see any guard rails btw only hand railing to tie fenders or hang on in the pics ^.
Sorry if this flew at a zillion miles per hour straight over your head . My fault too subtle.
MrB
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I really like it but then I was also a fan of the XS2000 and a huge fan of SS. :encouragement:
ari
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Interesting video of it now on YouTube.
I think it looks good and would make a great dayboat.
I think it looks good and would make a great dayboat.
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Having just watched Aquaholic's test you should be. I think its a fab boat despite the upholstery colour (which I quite like actually). Jfm is right though; it does need some kind of bathing platform or stepped transom to ease access into the water if this is going to be sold as a Med day boat as well as a superyacht tender
Portofino
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Hits the target as super yacht toy .
Friend of mine had a Boston Whaler outrage 32 and Master craft ski boat with his Benetti .
They ( we ) entered the water off the back of the Benetti for swimming.
The BW was a fast tender only towed behind .
Friend of mine had a Boston Whaler outrage 32 and Master craft ski boat with his Benetti .
They ( we ) entered the water off the back of the Benetti for swimming.
The BW was a fast tender only towed behind .
ari
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I think it's a fab boat too, don't understand the hate for it.
Water access seems to be addressed by an optional ladder according to the video if it's that much of a problem.
Pennpromo
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There’s a standard fit cassette type pull out bathing ladder to port on the platform and an optional fold out carbon one with flush deck sockets to starboard. Water access is therefore pretty good, there’s a transom shower too. It has the Mercury prop rotation warning lights as standard to warn any swimmers.
petem
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I don't hate it, but just cannot see the point in it. For me, it's like comparing a campervan and a Lotus Elise.
If I owned a big villa in the sun and wanted a day boat then it would still have zero appeal. I'd want a bit more shade, somewhere to store and make lunch and a nice bathing platform so mess about from. It might have storage for two seabobs but those things weigh around 35kg so lugging one out of the water from the back isn't going to be easy.
ari
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It's got permanent shade at the helm, a bimini for the forward area and it looks like there are drawer fridges under the rear seat, can see them in the video.
I didn't realise Seabobs were so heavy - wow! But surely they're going to be that heavy whatever you're lifting them out of the water from? I guess a lifting platform would help.
Actually, what it needs is a slot in carbon fibre (so lightweight) L shaped crane with a simple winch that slots in the aft corner of that forward storage area. Hook on a Seabob, crank it up with the winch, swivel it out and lower it! Reverse to recover.
I should design boats!
(That would work though? Probably better than lifting it on a bathing platform and then having to manhandle it forward).
I do agree that a full width platform would be nice, but outboards seem to be 'the thing' now. And they do take up a lot less space in the boat.
I didn't realise Seabobs were so heavy - wow! But surely they're going to be that heavy whatever you're lifting them out of the water from? I guess a lifting platform would help.
Actually, what it needs is a slot in carbon fibre (so lightweight) L shaped crane with a simple winch that slots in the aft corner of that forward storage area. Hook on a Seabob, crank it up with the winch, swivel it out and lower it! Reverse to recover.
I should design boats!
(That would work though? Probably better than lifting it on a bathing platform and then having to manhandle it forward).I do agree that a full width platform would be nice, but outboards seem to be 'the thing' now. And they do take up a lot less space in the boat.
MRC
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Definitely +1, but that's a typical drawback of O/Bs.
There's an easy fix though: just buy the real thing, which btw is faster even if diesel powered....
Now that really works. Keep looking at those too
ari
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I honestly think I prefer the Sunseeker. That looks fantastic but what do you do when you reach the lovely bay (in what, 30 minutes even if it's 30 miles away), all sit in neat rows facing the bow? You can sunbathe I guess, but there is no where to sit and chat, eat lunch, relax. What do you do when someone decides they need the loo?
That's a raceboat, which is fine if all you want to do is enter races.
That's a raceboat, which is fine if all you want to do is enter races.
MapisM
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Well, if there's another name for those thingies when they are lower than the usual guard rails, I apologise for my poor vocabulary, but what is it?
Can't see any guard rails btw only hand railing to tie fenders or hang on in the pics ^.
Sorry if this flew at a zillion miles per hour straight over your head . My fault too subtle.
I always thought that "guard" or "hand" rails were essentially synonyms.
Regardless, if any of your hints that Itamas are the be-all and end-all of pleasure boating can be called "subtle", obviously also my understanding of what this adjective means must be radically reviewed!
KINGFISHER 9
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The Sunseeker is a better buy - free gold medallion with every one, buy 2 and get a chest wig to go with it! ….. :encouragement:
MapisM
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+1.
The original focus behind the design of these boats, even more than the racing usage, is the capability to keep going very fast in conditions where nobody in his right mind would even consider to cruise for pleasure.
In fact, it's no coincidence that FB builds also a fast patrol boat based on the o/b powered hull, whose bottom is identical to the hawk.
So, in a nutshell, it's a hull meant either for those who enjoy either driving fast for the sake of it, or testing their own back in wave jumping.
Which is something some megayacht owner might be interested in, I guess.
But fwiw, I agree that as a day boat for someone who owns a Med villa, it doesn't make much sense in any version.
For such usage, hoping to compete with an Aquariva (just the first example that pops to my mind, but there are others) sounds like wishful thinking, imho.
Then again, what do I know? I neither have a Med villa, nor a day boat attached to it....
ari
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I promise I'm not trying to be argumentative or deliberately obtuse, but I am struggling to understand your logic here.
Driving fast for the sake of it, lots of people enjoy that - everyone with a speedboat or fast RIB for example. You certainly don't need to be a 'megayacht owner' to want that, or have any desire to 'test your own back wave jumping'.
Why would it make no sense as a dayboat for someone who owns a villa, surely it's perfect for that? It's fast, looks a fun drive, has a very capable hull, day space the full length of the boat, sunpads, somewhere for the Seabobs, a seating and dining area, a decent private loo, it's absolutely ideal for that surely?
And although this is new territory for Sunseeker, fast open dayboats are nothing new, from Boston Whalers to stuff like Goldfish RIBs.
As I say, not trying to be argumentative for the sake of it, just genuinely wondering what I'm missing? It's completely out of my league, but if I had need for a fast fun Med dayboat I'd have thought this has real merit.
MrB
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I agree fully, it was marketed as a chase boat/tender and fits the bill fully. I read that the side tubes were to save with the faff of fenders when rocking up to the mothership (Also for what ever FB said they were for). It's a fast fun boat full of tech and high in styling that Sunseeker do, the added advantage is that FB designed the hull. I don't see the need for Seabob storage because the mothership would be better carrying those, waste of fridge space IMPO but the carbon crane idea is good as I also read there are sockets on the port side for a swim ladder so they could be used for the detachable mini crane. I still love it even though it is mega bucks.
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