Has thethe wheel design been discussed in Hot Liquid thread?

[fireball]

On a Bav, the nut is plastic and can be taken off quite quickly can't it? The Beneteaux wheel looks like tools would be needed.

I could be wrong on both counts there - just looking at photos and I didn't pay much attention to the wheels when I sailed them. (probably why my wake was like a snake)

You're wrong on the Bav front - well on mine anyway ...

The plastic "nut" is a torsion wheel that allows you to lock the wheel in a position. Removal of that "nut" does not remove the wheel - there is a significant stainless nut in front that you can use a winch handle on to remove. Once this is off (and any wheel pilot gubbins) you're free to remove the wheel.

 

[Tranona]

Lewmar wheels are held on with a locking nut that takes a standard winch handle. The wheel is on a keyed taper on the shaft. The plastic nut just sets the drag on the wheel.

 

[rib]

fireball...r u a bav owner ?

 

[tim_ber]

You're wrong on the Bav front - well on mine anyway ...

The plastic "nut" is a torsion wheel that allows you to lock the wheel in a position. Removal of that "nut" does not remove the wheel - there is a significant stainless nut in front that you can use a winch handle on to remove. Once this is off (and any wheel pilot gubbins) you're free to remove the wheel.

Ah, ok. I only ever tighten that nut when under motor and didn't know it was torsion only.

But under the helm seat is easy access to a tiller post isn't there?

If the wheel bent and jammed, the wheel would still need to be removed for the tiller post to be active wouldn't it?

what a great idea - winch handle as a spanner - that is a design idea I like.

I only have tiller steering anyway, so I should shut up I guess.

 

[fireball]

fireball...r u a bav owner ?

Yes.
Having previously dismissed them I got a sail in one ... it's not the "perfect" boat by a long way ... but it suits our current requirements.

 

[fireball]

Ah, ok. I only ever tighten that nut when under motor and didn't know it was torsion only.

But under the helm seat is easy access to a tiller post isn't there?

If the wheel bent and jammed, the wheel would still need to be removed for the tiller post to be active wouldn't it?

what a great idea - winch handle as a spanner - that is a design idea I like.

I only have tiller steering anyway, so I should shut up I guess.

Yes - there is easy access to a tiller post.
Yes - you'd have to remove either the wheel or the link between the wheel and the steering quadrant.

Carry on - it's great to learn about things ...

 

[rib]

ok a word in your ear..check your emergancy tiller.if you have the standard one the box that fits over the rudder pin might only be welded on the outside and half of this weld is then grounded off to look nice,which means if you ever have to use it in anger it will split.or it did when i had to use one once,and most of the others i have looked at were the same.and yes i agree with you there is a place for bav in the sailing world

 

[Bav34]

I'm so worried about my Whitlock wheel disintegrating that I always use the emergency tiller. It's SOOO HR34.

 

[fireball]

ok a word in your ear..check your emergancy tiller.if you have the standard one the box that fits over the rudder pin might only be welded on the outside and half of this weld is then grounded off to look nice,which means if you ever have to use it in anger it will split.or it did when i had to use one once,and most of the others i have looked at were the same.and yes i agree with you there is a place for bav in the sailing world

Thanks - I will have another check ... I've looked before and it looked substantial enough - but then I wasn't looking for anything in particular.
As it happens - our boat has previously done some long cruising so I suspect the emergency tiller may have been changed anyway ... but as you say - worth a check!

 

[rib]

bav have you got a pic showing the silly spot welds at the hub to show to one of our other friends

 

[Bav34]

bav have you got a pic showing the silly spot welds at the hub to show to one of our other friends

No because there aren't any. Sorry.

 

[rib]

if you do get any break,nip the helm off and pop round to a good s/s welder and weld all around spokes and it will never break when it gets bumpy

 

[Bav34]

if you do get any break,nip the helm off and pop round to a good s/s welder and weld all around spokes and it will never break when it gets bumpy

I'm really sorry but you and I seem to live in parallell universes.

Actually, no, I'm not sorry.

 

[rib]

sorry..its just that i know of those helms breaking at the welds several times(not necessary bav)and took some to a welders to be beefed up.i see that you have used your back up tiller have you used it in heavy weather ?and have you looked inside the box to see how deep the weld is.as i,ve used one in heavy weather and it split.on checking some others thay were of the same.just a note of caution not a pop at bav

 

[fireball]

if you do get any break,nip the helm off and pop round to a good s/s welder and weld all around spokes and it will never break when it gets bumpy

You mean the spot welds in the hub of the wheel - yes my lewmar wheel is spotwelded like that ... it ain't gonna break though - the spot welds hold the spokes in position to be clamped down by the hub. If you're breaking those then I'd be more concerned about the rest of the boat because you're about to break the whole thing ...

Seems you'd like us to excessively over engineer!

 

[Talbot]

I have some difficulty with the concept that a wheel which was bent by human impact, could not have been easily bent back out of the way by use of a decent rope, a snatch block and one of the big winches onboard.

 

[jimi]

You mean the spot welds in the hub of the wheel - yes my lewmar wheel is spotwelded like that ... it ain't gonna break though - the spot welds hold the spokes in position to be clamped down by the hub. If you're breaking those then I'd be more concerned about the rest of the boat because you're about to break the whole thing ...

Seems you'd like us to excessively over engineer!

yep , you beat me to it, the spot welds on my wheel are not part of its structural strength

 

[rib]

fireball..ok fair enough ive only done about 20,000 miles + on them so prehaps im wrong sorry to be a pain

 

[Talulah]

You mean the spot welds in the hub of the wheel - yes my lewmar wheel is spotwelded like that ... it ain't gonna break though - the spot welds hold the spokes in position to be clamped down by the hub. If you're breaking those then I'd be more concerned about the rest of the boat because you're about to break the whole thing ...

Seems you'd like us to excessively over engineer!

All the spot welds at the hub on my Lewmar wheel broke.
Lewmars replaced the wheel and stated they had a defective batch.
This is going back about 4 years.

 

[rib]

jimi.. if the spokes break /part at the hub away from the hub your helm becomes u/s