Happy, your boat's becoming dangerously overloaded

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Happy, your boat\'s becoming dangerously overloaded

Sorry, the other threads are getting swamped.

I know it's funny haha that happy plans to buy more gear, get trade discount and so on. But for a small boat, now meeting friends with much larger boats with much larger payloads that go to sea, this is actually getting a bit serious. Duncan was quite right to raise this issue.

The Glastron site list just over 500kg as the maximum payload. With people aboard, you plan to have over 220 kg. That's almost half the maximum. Now add outboard, dinghy, oars, generators and lots lot more - and yours is the firtst boat I have heard of that has become more and more dangerous the more safety equipment you plan to stash on it. The 500kg is a limit, not a target.

Separately, the organisation of all the kit is beghinning to impinge on ordinary safety. Your vhf didn't work cos of the fishfinder. You don't need a fishfinder, you might need vhf. So despite all that money on chandlery, you didn't have use of the decent vhf in the solent, but did have a toaster and internet access.

You should go through your inventory and weigh the lot, discarding stuff you really don't need. I agree that it's all good fun, but do not want you sinking, which you risk in heavier seas than most 20 footers will see and with more kit than a circumnavigator. The dinghy for example, has a potential safety aspect, though not if it's carried uninflated. The outboard can't get you home. And so on.

We all go a bit ott in some departments of kit (fishing, diving etc) but not in all of them, as you seem to plan. I hear your son is a diver, and jeez that stuff weighs a lot.

There, said my piece. All imho, and with good attitude and intentions.





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Ah! I have a backup handheld VHF with two batteries and a AA battery cartridge back for that. I have not bothered with the A frame as enquiries with Glastron in the USA revealed that it could affect my stability. However I was seriously thinking of fitting tubes to it, a bit like the cabin ribs, but have to see what the weight of the tubes would be and what effect it would have. BarryH has been kind to help me through this, but no decision as yet. Let's face it, it would be unusual. I would like to be the first to take my Glastron across the Atlantic, but the fuel has been the very big problem, still can't get round the weight required, unless I refuelled at sea, but that would be expensive. Don't worry about the weight, the boat is meant to look low and sleek /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif If it was overloaded there is no way it would be doing 42.2 knts in the Solent! It can still run with only the prop in the water and the hull fully out, that can't be heavy. The only really heavy stuff is the spare engine, generator, fridge, aircon unit, toilet, cooker unit, crockery, beer/wine, dinghy, spare 5 gall drums of fuel, shower water and some other odds and sods. The TV, DVD, EPIRBS, Flares e.t.c weigh nothing really.

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Re: Happy, your boat\'s becoming dangerously overloaded

i cannot agree more, i am a believer in safety,but also having clear decks and all equipment to hand, so that when something is needed you can put your hands on it straight away, not have to spend 10mins digging it out from under a pile of gear!! by which time it may already be to late. i thought happy1 was having us all on a wind up!! but now you guys have seen for yourselves, i am now concerned for his safety as well as others, time for a realistic good sort out by the sound of things
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That\'s not how it sinks

Sorry, you saying "don't worry" having been out in it a few times does not allay my worries. You continue to believe that more safety gear is good news.

Even with over 500kg it will still go nice and fast. That is no measure of overloading. Weighing scales are.

The danger is that it will be sitting lower and lower in the water, and take a wave in. Then it will suddenly be very overloaded, and take another. The dealer who is already worried about overloading is based in Windsor on a non-tidal river.

Please heed the advice of others: I am not the only one by any means to voice concerns. You are taking the subject lightly, as witness the repeated (and annoying, please stop, "smiley faces") and whilst others gawped at all the gear, you went and bought some more. And then there's the dive gear.

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Happy, TCM's giving you sound advice. If it were my boat. I'd have a VHF (plus h/h backup) gps,depth thingie, lifejackets, fire extinguisers and a set of flares .. that's all I'd want on a boat that should'nt stray out of sight of land!

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OK, to keep you happy I will weigh each item, that will be easy as I have it all here. The boat is bare at the dealers at the moment getting some more gear fitted to it e.g. Camper canvas, outboard bracket, fairleads, and some other bits and bobs. I will publish the weight when I get time, thanks for your concern, I am really looking to get a bigger boat anyway, I think we have out grown this one this weekend /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

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Re: Happy, your boat\'s becoming dangerously overloaded

And jimi's a Yachtmaster!!!

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BUT I have a 16mth old daughter, that's why I got most of it. I am happy to go out on my own with what you suggest, it's very rare we have ALL the kit on board, but we didn't know what we were doing this weekend so I brought a little bit of everything, we left the rest in Louise's car as backup in the car park. Anyway what weight can I put on a 28 ft boat?

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Exactly, I don't have the experience he has, so have to take more care /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

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Re: That\'s not how it sinks

You are joking TCM aren't you, he hasn't really got a set of dive gear on board as well as all the other "safety" stuff.


Come on H1, we don't want you sinking, just remember I want to buy your boat, you'll get a much better price if it's all been kept dry, not worth much on the seabed!!


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Re: Happy, your boat\'s becoming dangerously overloaded

TCM thank you for your comments,

I find the whole saga quite frightening... that is somebody is actually allowed to own and use a boat with this amount of knowledge. I keep thinking this must be a fabulous wind up, but it keeps on going. Am I dreaming or not part of the joke and this is all a great big scam?

Unfortunatly not...

This clearly must be a case of far more money than sense.

Happy.... for you own good get some experience, and better still get some before somebody gets hurt..



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Much better: bigger boat

A 28 foot boat probaly wouldn't quote a payload, and is by far the most sensible solution for the sort of boating you do/did last weekend. Praps tell the dealer to stop addng more kit, and chop it in for 28 footer?

As others said, it ain't just the weight, but the ability to get to things and to parts of the boat (including the bilges) quickly. I think it is also diverting your attention from more ordinary boating things, and giving you the feeling that as the very best customer of the dealer/chandler, that must be worth something in terms of safety, which it isn't really. BUT I do want you to have a er happy time.



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Re: No windup

The dive gear would be loaded next, as his son is keen. While we were gawping at all the stuff, he went off and bought some more gear. Now, there's a campertop and and ...hence the post.

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Come on Happy, listen to common sense, either take stuff off the boat or get something bigger. It can't be fun with all that stuff on board, much better to be minimalist. How do you think they all managed years ago before all this stuff was invented/became popular.

Most of us have managed for years with a vhf, echo sounder, gps, a few out of date flares and maybe a lifejacket or two. There's lots more I could add to this list, but that's all I had for years and never had a problem, also makes you think more about ensuring the engine is well looked after and making sure you have plenty of fuel etc.

In other words more self reliant. And more fun.

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Do\'nt forget ..

fire extinguishers... probably the most important single bit of safety equipment on a boat!!!

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Re: Do\'nt forget ..

Ah yes, did have those as well, luckily have never had to use one. Still, I think that just about completes the essentials list for a boat that stays within sight of land.

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Yes I have 4 x 1kg plus the 5kg auto one in the engine bay. Fire and hitting a submerged object are the two main fears for me, quick sinking assured IMHO, hence dinghy, fast inflator e.t.c.

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H1 just to give you an idea as to balance I have a 26 foot Jeanneau Leader 805 (9.9ft beam as opposed to most 8.6ft) with a single KAD43 and on board I carry....

GPS, Simrad Radio and cheapo handheld and mobile, 2 of each flares, 1 Wetline 265 dinghy (kept inflated on stern) with 3,3 outboard and spare fuel, one tridata depth speed etc, fire exstinguishers in galley captains locker and 2 in engine bay, charts and navigtion books, compass, spare oils and lubes, life jackets for up to 5 adults 2 teenagers and two toddlers, torches and usual galley stuff for cooking with gas and microwave plus a fire blanket, fog horn and when cruising offshore for more than a day spare alu props, grab bag with spare clothes water etc.

Thats about it I may have forgotten a few bits and pieces but thats the bulk of it and I cruise offshore to France and adjacent channel Islands min offshore jouney is 26 miles and in some of those parts you wont see another boat not even commercial and this is some of the most hazardous cruising you will find with large tidal ranges and rocky outcrops, ie the swinge race and the humps.

Thats about half of what you have got. Even then if the boat was sinking I would be hard pushed to get the dinghy launched, gt the grab bag, engine and spare fuel inc oars and seats whilst making a mayday and shooting off a flare and everything is in a seperate place with its own fitting with easy access.

I think you need Louise to organise the boat as she would get it ship shape for you. You really need to work on priorities and work out that in a situation what would you do and what order would you do it in and where would you get the necessary bits and pieces from? Time yourself as it can take 3 minutes for a boat of your size to fully sink.

Best of luck and we will all keep our eyes peeled on the for sale column or for a post saying your getting a 34 footer.



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