youen
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I have decided to buy a HR but I hesitate between an HR 36 from 1996 and a HR 34 from 2003 the 2 boats are in good condition.What are you opinions its seems the 36 is slower and her teak deck is 7 years older Many thanks
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Good choice!
Look at the space, dont worry about the teak too much... go with the heart.
You cant make a bad decision here.
Look at the space, dont worry about the teak too much... go with the heart.
You cant make a bad decision here.
thedoc
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HR 36
I have got an HR 36 from 1989 (no 17). The teak deck has got another ten years at least I think. I would always go for the increased space on the 36, any speed difference will be minor and can be eliminated by good sailing (!). I can handle the 36 alone with a basic sail plan and we have sailed many miles with two. Good boats, never regretted our decision.
I have got an HR 36 from 1989 (no 17). The teak deck has got another ten years at least I think. I would always go for the increased space on the 36, any speed difference will be minor and can be eliminated by good sailing (!). I can handle the 36 alone with a basic sail plan and we have sailed many miles with two. Good boats, never regretted our decision.
Ludd
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Check the thickness of teak on each,if you're worried. Wouldn't surprise me if the older boat had thicker teak in the first place. Unless it's been sailing school/charter shouldn't be a problem.
Twister_Ken
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Teak decks on HRs may all be the same when they first come out of the yard, but condition now will depend on how well (or rather how badly) they've been looked after since then. I looked a very recent HR31 and the deck looked good from a distance, but on close-up inspections it had been scrubbed so much that it was very grooved and well down the road towards replacement. OTOH, a older 34 had an almost unworn deck, although it was silver gray, not honey brown.
There's really no way of knowing what the deck will be like, without seeing the boat. The broker or owner won't give you an honest answer.
FWIW the real difference between a 34 and a 36 is the aft cabin/centre cockpit of the 36. You either like it, or you don't.
There's really no way of knowing what the deck will be like, without seeing the boat. The broker or owner won't give you an honest answer.
FWIW the real difference between a 34 and a 36 is the aft cabin/centre cockpit of the 36. You either like it, or you don't.
Boat44
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Both very lovely boats, and a great way to spend ones lunch time, looking at both.
The teak deck is a red herring. The condition and hence life left of them will come up in a survey.
The main issue is what type of sailing do you want to do?
Looking at the two boats they are very different beasts. Whilst the layout "looks" similar I think in reality you will find big differences. All one has to do is look at the tankage size to get an idea of how different these two boats are. Oh and the displacement, the HR36 (7.5 tonnes) is about 50% more than the HR34 (5.3tonnes)!
It really all comes down to what type of sailing you want to do, balanced against your budget and the condition of both yachts.
If both yachts are the same condition and same money I would opt for the 36, only because it gives greater flexibility for long distance sailing and extended cruising. As both boats can be crewed at the same level, the increased size of the 36 will make all this easier.
We chartered a 36 najad some years ago and loved it (similar to the HR 36). Going over to St Vasst and Cherbourg for the weekend.
Tough decision to make, both lovely boats and I would be happy with either.
The teak deck is a red herring. The condition and hence life left of them will come up in a survey.
The main issue is what type of sailing do you want to do?
Looking at the two boats they are very different beasts. Whilst the layout "looks" similar I think in reality you will find big differences. All one has to do is look at the tankage size to get an idea of how different these two boats are. Oh and the displacement, the HR36 (7.5 tonnes) is about 50% more than the HR34 (5.3tonnes)!
It really all comes down to what type of sailing you want to do, balanced against your budget and the condition of both yachts.
If both yachts are the same condition and same money I would opt for the 36, only because it gives greater flexibility for long distance sailing and extended cruising. As both boats can be crewed at the same level, the increased size of the 36 will make all this easier.
We chartered a 36 najad some years ago and loved it (similar to the HR 36). Going over to St Vasst and Cherbourg for the weekend.
Tough decision to make, both lovely boats and I would be happy with either.
Twister_Ken
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Word of warning on the 34. Can you sit down on the head, without bumping yours?
ign
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I sail a HR34 and can highly recommend, let me know if you have any specific Qs. Happy to try and answer objectively
Any issues with the deck should come out on the survey. I think you need to consider mid ship versus aft cockpit, deck layout, cabin size, any costs for replacing worn gear such as sails, etc.
good luck
Any issues with the deck should come out on the survey. I think you need to consider mid ship versus aft cockpit, deck layout, cabin size, any costs for replacing worn gear such as sails, etc.
good luck
johnalison
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I have sailed a 34 for ten years and congratulate myself on the choice every time I go out. But as has been said, they are rather different boats and both good in their own ways. The speed in an average cruise would be very similar and the 36 has "longer legs" with an easier motion giving a less tiring passage; not that the 34 is in any way deficient; it's just smaller and lighter. The 36 is quite a lot of boat to manoeuvre short handed in and out of harbour, though looking at the ages of most of the owners you wouldn't think so.
The 34 is handier and works best with a tiller, leaving a roomier cockpit without an intrusion into the aft cabin. It is also very predictable in astern under power, and cheaper to maintain. The 34 is definitely faster to windward, with a more modern rig, and is steady on the helm. As TK says, the heads are a bit compromised, though I have never found this much of a problem myself, being small average. On the 36 the heads are forward which may not suit everyone, and the forecabin bunks are smaller (though the aft cabin is much larger)
The 34 is a delightful small (?!) yacht, while the 36 is a small ship. If you want everything right you may need a 39.
The 34 is handier and works best with a tiller, leaving a roomier cockpit without an intrusion into the aft cabin. It is also very predictable in astern under power, and cheaper to maintain. The 34 is definitely faster to windward, with a more modern rig, and is steady on the helm. As TK says, the heads are a bit compromised, though I have never found this much of a problem myself, being small average. On the 36 the heads are forward which may not suit everyone, and the forecabin bunks are smaller (though the aft cabin is much larger)
The 34 is a delightful small (?!) yacht, while the 36 is a small ship. If you want everything right you may need a 39.
Talulah
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More headroom in the 36.
You'll only get the 'yes' once from the wife so go for the one you really want.
You'll only get the 'yes' once from the wife so go for the one you really want.
rjandhl
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We found ourselves in the same situation as yourself a couple of years ago. Our initial thought was the HR 34 as it would be easier to handle, cheaper on moorings,sails, antifouling etc. Then we had a look on a 34 and found that my husband, who is 6ft 2in tall, couldn't use the heads due to lack of headroom and we settled for the HR36. He is very comfortable on board, both below decks and in the cockpit where the boom clears his head whilst standing at the wheel.
Do you have any preference regarding saildrive, HR34, or conventional shaft drive, HR36,?
Do you have any preference regarding saildrive, HR34, or conventional shaft drive, HR36,?
Searush
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Sit one each one & ask yourself the question "Which one will I regret NOT buying?" That should tell you what to do - even if SWMBO doesn't.