Hallberg Rassy 42 Ketch

[Robin]

Re: Proud Sikaflex....

Tom

I think most would agree that teak decks look good. My comments were intended as an answer to what a potential buyer should look out for. Certainly something to be very wary about and if any doubt at all to take a surveyor's advice over, because the costs of replacing a deck of that kind of size and complexity is horrendous. In order to replace the deck, everything has to be removed, hatches, ventlators, mast and mast base, genoa tracks, winches, turning bocks, stanchions and bases, and so on. Many of these deck fittings will have fastenings which are behind linings etc below decks and will require more dismantling for access. Then aftterwards all has to be refitted again, the labour costs are going to be frightening. In this case the poster was looking at boats from the 1980's, so up to 24 years old and clearly the condition of the teak decks could be an issue.

Robin

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[tome]

Re: Proud Sikaflex....

Robin

Totally agree, especially what's involved in replacing a deck.

Just thowing in the fact that our survey suggested a new deck, and there are sometimes ways around it. We still have >8mm teak everywhere.

Regards
Tom

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[Twister_Ken]

Agree with Robin almost 100%

but would point out that IF you are replacing a teak deck with new there is no need to use screws if bedding onto the right modern compound (except as temp fixings). Without perm screws, one of the main causes/problems of teak deck ageing is removed.

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[Robin]

Re: Agree with Robin almost 100%

That's a very good point. Our cockpit teak on seats and floor has no screws and though worn is still fine and still firmly fixed after 16 years. I wonder why then that they still seem to use zillions of screw fastenings on new boats? Surely it cannot be simply a style thing can it?

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[Twister_Ken]

Re: Agree with Robin almost 100%

Probably cheaper and faster to screw the teak down than to use temprorary fastenings and weights, and wait for glues to cure. Actually, though, I suspect that many decks on new boats won't be built on the boat, but in panels on a factory bench, then installed sq metrea at a time.

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[tome]

Re: Agree with Robin almost 100%

From what I hear, it is now unusual to use screws. Modern adhesives have rendered it unnecessary in the past 12 years or so.

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[rwoofer]

Re: Agree with Robin almost 100%

I remember seeing a picture of the Bavaria factory where the teak cockpit bits were vacuum bagged. Seems a much less dangerous procedure than weights and therefore probably the cheapest way of doing it.

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[pvb]

Not strictly true for HRs....

You're right to say that there's often a huge hidden cost of removal and replacement of deck fittings when renewing a teak deck. However, since the original query related to a Hallberg-Rassy, it's worth mentioning that many of the items you've referred to aren't actually fitted on top of the teak deck on a HR. Hatches are screwed to GRP flanges above the deck. Stanchions are fitted to studs buried in the toe-rail. Rigging is fitted to chainplates which protrude through the deck and are covered by simple stainless plates. Genoa tracks are through-bolted but the nuts inside are covered by an easily removed wooden trim. Almost anything else that is bolted on is quite easily accessible inside the boat, rather than hidden behind linings. That's not to say that it wouldn't still be a costly job.

As the poster of one of the early replies to Steve's question, I specifically mentioned the teak deck because, in my experience as a HR owner, the deck has probably created more work for me than anything else. Sadly, the reason most teak decks get damaged is because people are so keen to scrub them back to that golden brown colour. If they were happy to let them stay grey, it would save a fortune for future owners!

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[Rob_Webb]

Misrepresentation

This thread fails to live up to it's name as a discussion on the HR42 - it should be renamed the great teak deck debate!

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[grahama]

phew - glad I didn\'t get teak

When I was looking for our Nicholson 39 several for sale at the time had teak decks, didn't know much about them at the time but always wondered at the future maintenance. Purchase nice painted cream C/N decks in the end and after reading this and other threads I'm so glad!

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[Goldie]

Re: What are they like to sail?.nm.

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[Jeremy_W]

You need to carry a big banner "I am not Ian Grant" when sailing in the Solent or all the ferries will try to run you down!

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