Hallberg Rassy 312 vs modern leisure yachts

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is the hallberg rassey 312 (1983) superior to modern, bavs, gibsea, benns, etc. I am in two minds to go for the quality and warmth of the hallberg but am wary of the maintenance requirements of the older yacht, (although i have seen one that has had all mech and elects and engine replaced within the last 5 years) against a modern leisure craft of approx 2000 onwards. additionally what make offer the least depreciation if they are maintained. Comments please.
 
Define superior!

The HR will have less space and less pace.

Apart from that, it's likely to be a better boat all-round for longer-distance cruising. But you need to assess very carefully what will need replacing/repairing and when. A lot will depend how much love and money the previous owner(s) has lavished on it.

BTW, don't assume that by buying a newer boat, you'll be faced with no repair/replacement bills. You will, but they'll probably be smaller.

The HR has depreciated pretty well by now and probably not by very much. Modern AWB depreciation is likely to be considerably heavier, not least because the builders keep driving the price of new AWBs down.

BTW - I'm an older boat fan, so don't expect the above comments to be impartial.

Oh, and get a survey, whichever option you go for.
 
Absolutely, couldnt agree (more).
A 1983 23 year old boat, with all equipment only 5 years old, mast, standing rigging, running rigging, electrics, sails, engine, gearbox, running gear, fittings, upholstery, headlinings, central heating, navigation equipment, instruments, vhf, batteries, plumbing, tanks, osmosis strip and re gelcoat, teak all replaced, that sounds like a real bargain.
It must be rubbish compared to a (sensibly priced) 5 year old newer boat, which probably hasn't had all those things replaced yet, in the last 5 years. Dont make them like they used to. Too many made you see.
At least you can look serious about your sailing on the pontoon, rather than a vacuous, wan AWB bloke. Ah, the kudos.
You get what you pay for, harumph, not like these modern flibberty gibbets.
Weight is what you need, none of that on the Johnny-Come-Lately amateur offerings, seakindly, go anywhere those older Swedish things. been round the world, many times. I cant remember what quantity of us go anywhere, but it must be high round here, as it a requirement to nip up to the next port on the coast for the day. You never know.
Got to be either one every time, cant be indecisive, not good Skippership to vacillate.

Only you can decide. When you get on the boat to view it, it will tell you immediately. Its a lurv thing. My Jeanneau does it to me every time I see it. Which is in about 4 hours from now. Yippee!
 
HR...HR...HR...HR...HR...HR...HR...HR...HR...HR...HR...HR...HR...HR...HR...HR...HR...HR...HR...HR...HR...HR ....Hurrah for HR!

This of course is a totally unbiassed opinion, unteinted by personal ownership or the desperate emotional need of the writer to be taken seriously on the pontoon! /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

The up-side of an HR, if you get a good example, is great build quality, very sea kindly motion and, assuming you look after her, a relatively sound 'investment'.

The downside of bowling up in an HR is that everyone immediately thinks you know what you're doing. You will also be expected to wear daft pink trousers and a trusty old Breton cap thingy. Two myths that I for one am attemepting to dispel at every possible opportunity! Oh, and £ for £ you probabaly wont get as much space.

Mark
 
Other problem with HRs is that they cut though the water like a brick through molasses.

Spent a lot of time in cruising in company with a brand new HR 46, which had a lot of teething troubles, caued by poor quality control during the fit out and comissioning, eg: incorrect genset installation, Faults on the SSB instalation, etc etc.

The only time it could overtake our 33' was under power /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Mind you, when our friends sold it after a year, owing to to the long waiting list and currency fluctuations they made a cool $100,000 on it.
 
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Absolutely, couldnt agree (more).
A 1983 23 year old boat, with all equipment only 5 years old, mast, standing rigging, running rigging, electrics, sails, engine, gearbox, running gear, fittings, upholstery, headlinings, central heating, navigation equipment, instruments, vhf, batteries, plumbing, tanks, osmosis strip and re gelcoat, teak all replaced, that sounds like a real bargain.


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Plus the new deck hatches, re glazed cabin windows, new self draining gas bottle locker, rudder rebuild, custom lining for the grp bilge water tanks that have osmosis, new electric windlass to replace the lump of rust in anchor locker, probably a new chain and anchor too.
 
<<Plus the new deck hatches, re glazed cabin windows, new self draining gas bottle locker, rudder rebuild, custom lining for the grp bilge water tanks that have osmosis, new electric windlass to replace the lump of rust in anchor locker, probably a new chain and anchor too. >>

Hear, hear, probably the Sprayhood, dodgers and boom cover as well....
 
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additionally what make offer the least depreciation if they are maintained. Comments please.

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I think the depreciation issue is not as polarized as the MAB camp claims. A new boat owner probably maintains a mental running total of the 1st year boat + equipment bill and includes this when the boat is sold after 5 years. During the 5 years the sails, spray hood, running rigging and cooker might have depreciated 50%. The next owner will replace these items progressively but most likely neglect to factor in the expenditure when the boat is sold later and the 5 to 10 year depreciation % calculated.
 
Yeah, yeah, yeah; heard it all before! Thing is, I dont spill my gin everytime there's a wave or slight gust, and whilst you speed merchants might arrive first, I can conjure up an altogether more sartorial impact in my usual sailing garb of carpet slippers and smoking jacket!

Seriously though, I dont know about the 42's but my little 31 (mk1) more than holds her own against similarly sized AWBs - like a knife through butter she is!


Mark
 
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BTW - I'm an older boat fan, so don't expect the above comments to be impartial. /quote]

How old are you exactly?
 
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Seriously though, I dont know about the 42's but my little 31 (mk1

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You have a nice sailing hull but I am not so sure about the blue water caravans higher up the HR range.
 
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young whippersnappers

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Hey! You can call me whatever you like if your going to put 'young' in front of it!
 
Let's get one thing straight at the outset - No boat is an investment, not even the fabled HR stable. If it's low maintenance you are after then most HR's have teak decks which can be a pain in the whatsit. If it's cosy, woody interrior you are after then again it doesn't stay that way - it neeeds maintenance. You might be better off with a newer boat. If it's sea kindly performance you'd like then I'm afraid your stuffed with a lot of modern designs. You don't actually say what your sailing requirements are but if it's like most of us, then you might not mind the motion and performance of a more modern boat. Some of the later Sadler 29's might fulfil most of your requirements.
 
"During the 5 years the sails, spray hood, running rigging and cooker might have depreciated 50%."

I agree with the first three items but wonder why the cooker should depreciate so much. My boat is ex charter, 8 years old and the cooker is original, and looks and functions like a new one. Mind you the charter company did remove it from the boat, completely dismantle it and clean and polish every part at the end of each season. Perhaps they only depreciate badly if the owners do not clean them properly.
 
I might be biased but a quick look at the RTI results for our HR36 seems to show that they can move a lillte quicker than that.
I would go with the older boat myself.
 
I think the Frers designed HR36 is probably the most sprightly example on handicap

Reckon we can show a clean pair of heels in a seaway to any HR up to and including a 49 in anything up to a F6 on most points of sail, and we're just 37ft
 
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