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Gunwharf Quays - new LNTM
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jfm
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eh?
How oddly worded. It says you need a booking, but it doesn't say categorically if this is a booking (for a parking space) with GQ, or a booking with QHM to cross from Haslar. You'd think the latter, because QHM shouldn't care about your parking space. But why would you contact QHM on 80, that's marina channel. So they must mean a berth booking with GQ. In which case, is GQ gonna tell QHM all their bookings, so QHM knows whether to grant or decline permission to cross the water from Haslar.
And anyway, when calling QHM to request permission to cross the water, just tellem you want to cross to that side, you dont have to say you're going into GQ. So how then will they know if you're going to GQ? When you get across, then make up your mind if you want to go to GQ
There's enough red tape in commercial life, this seems to be getting ridiculous. But perhaps I am not seeing the point in all this.... happy to be corrected
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How oddly worded. It says you need a booking, but it doesn't say categorically if this is a booking (for a parking space) with GQ, or a booking with QHM to cross from Haslar. You'd think the latter, because QHM shouldn't care about your parking space. But why would you contact QHM on 80, that's marina channel. So they must mean a berth booking with GQ. In which case, is GQ gonna tell QHM all their bookings, so QHM knows whether to grant or decline permission to cross the water from Haslar.
And anyway, when calling QHM to request permission to cross the water, just tellem you want to cross to that side, you dont have to say you're going into GQ. So how then will they know if you're going to GQ? When you get across, then make up your mind if you want to go to GQ
There's enough red tape in commercial life, this seems to be getting ridiculous. But perhaps I am not seeing the point in all this.... happy to be corrected
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Re: eh?
Umm. The telephone number is GQ's and they do listen on ch 80. I think this means you are required to confirm with GQ that they will offer a berth BEFORE asking QHM permission to cross the channel. GQ can fill up quite easily and the area outside is close to or crossed by various ferry traffic. I suspect that people have been crossing first then finding no space at GQ so there's been a bit of milling around at the GQ entrance waiting to get back across, perhapd getting in the way of commercial traffic.
Usually, when you ask to cross, you say "permission to cross to GQ?" or "permission to cross to Camber?". I bet if you don't say where you're going, QHM will ask. Then, if you say GQ, he'll ask if you have a berth booked. If not, no permission to cross.
Solitaire probably knows why QHM is tightening up on this.
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Umm. The telephone number is GQ's and they do listen on ch 80. I think this means you are required to confirm with GQ that they will offer a berth BEFORE asking QHM permission to cross the channel. GQ can fill up quite easily and the area outside is close to or crossed by various ferry traffic. I suspect that people have been crossing first then finding no space at GQ so there's been a bit of milling around at the GQ entrance waiting to get back across, perhapd getting in the way of commercial traffic.
Usually, when you ask to cross, you say "permission to cross to GQ?" or "permission to cross to Camber?". I bet if you don't say where you're going, QHM will ask. Then, if you say GQ, he'll ask if you have a berth booked. If not, no permission to cross.
Solitaire probably knows why QHM is tightening up on this.
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mjf
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This has been the case for a while.
Must have a berth booked at GQ - but I guess there has been a lot of people crossing the channel and finding no room availble once on the E.side.
I know a guy who did just that in the early summer and parked up no problem - no booking first etc and was unaware that you needed to do. Even the fellow who took his money was unaware of the QHM procedure.....
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Must have a berth booked at GQ - but I guess there has been a lot of people crossing the channel and finding no room availble once on the E.side.
I know a guy who did just that in the early summer and parked up no problem - no booking first etc and was unaware that you needed to do. Even the fellow who took his money was unaware of the QHM procedure.....
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tcm
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Re: Gunwharf Quays rant
huh!
gunwharf quays should be a good stopoff a la folly. Instead, the whole blimmin place is full of term term low-rent loafers like the ex-lymington Brave class skip, two wrong-class dead-end sunsail-owned hardly-ever-hired racers, and assorted other very large junk that means hardly anybody can visit, ever. It should all be tippeed out to a bigger place, and allo the new development be visited by others, with lots more (or at least some) short-term visiting. i calledem loads of times and never any space. Or of course, they just say ner cos it means they don't have to go and have a look..
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huh!
gunwharf quays should be a good stopoff a la folly. Instead, the whole blimmin place is full of term term low-rent loafers like the ex-lymington Brave class skip, two wrong-class dead-end sunsail-owned hardly-ever-hired racers, and assorted other very large junk that means hardly anybody can visit, ever. It should all be tippeed out to a bigger place, and allo the new development be visited by others, with lots more (or at least some) short-term visiting. i calledem loads of times and never any space. Or of course, they just say ner cos it means they don't have to go and have a look..
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jhr
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No! No! No!
Can't agree with this. The last thing I need is yet another venue where I can be marched off the boat by SWMBO, straight into a load of clothes shops. She's already discovered that Fat Face is 10 yards from the entrance of Cowes Yacht Haven. We've been there twice in the last 3 weeks.......... /forums/images/icons/frown.gif
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Can't agree with this. The last thing I need is yet another venue where I can be marched off the boat by SWMBO, straight into a load of clothes shops. She's already discovered that Fat Face is 10 yards from the entrance of Cowes Yacht Haven. We've been there twice in the last 3 weeks.......... /forums/images/icons/frown.gif
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tcm
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Fool!
ah but gwquays is firstly ded cheap ex-factory stuff for small quids and secondly much more important has monster sky sports telly projector and bar upstairs in the bowling alley, which completely changes the whole thing. Well worth it. And none of the crappy long-termers are using these facilties, so they shd be chucked out imho. Best thing is to get swmbo to buy loads of stuff, then go again to take it all back and change it.
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ah but gwquays is firstly ded cheap ex-factory stuff for small quids and secondly much more important has monster sky sports telly projector and bar upstairs in the bowling alley, which completely changes the whole thing. Well worth it. And none of the crappy long-termers are using these facilties, so they shd be chucked out imho. Best thing is to get swmbo to buy loads of stuff, then go again to take it all back and change it.
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jhr
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Re: Fool!
Ah... I may shift my position on this.
Your proposal is, of course, eminently sensible and I support it whole-heartedly.
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Ah... I may shift my position on this.
Your proposal is, of course, eminently sensible and I support it whole-heartedly.
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TargaLout
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If GQ was a lager it would be the worst lager in the world. It is probably the worst run place ever.
Can't call it a marina really, that implies facilities etc.
What I don't understand is that the marina office is a long way from the marina...so staff probably cant be bothered to keep going back and forth so you would expect them all to be in the office? Well no coz they never answer phones or VHF. So perhaps you would expect them all to be walking round the marina catching lines and talking on hand helds? Well no coz you never see anyone. There are probably too many distractions around GQ what with the shopping , bars etc.
The reason QHM has issued that statement is so that GQ staff don't even have to have the inconvenience of an unanounced boat turning up now !!!
I wonder what QHM would do if I just went over without getting permission, just looking left and right and left again and going for it? Impound my vessel, confiscate my gear or tell me off more like?
I think that I am going to take to just turning up and berthing and leaving a note on the boat regardless of with QHM permission or not, coz its not like theres anyone at GQ to tell you to clear off or take your money even.
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Can't call it a marina really, that implies facilities etc.
What I don't understand is that the marina office is a long way from the marina...so staff probably cant be bothered to keep going back and forth so you would expect them all to be in the office? Well no coz they never answer phones or VHF. So perhaps you would expect them all to be walking round the marina catching lines and talking on hand helds? Well no coz you never see anyone. There are probably too many distractions around GQ what with the shopping , bars etc.
The reason QHM has issued that statement is so that GQ staff don't even have to have the inconvenience of an unanounced boat turning up now !!!
I wonder what QHM would do if I just went over without getting permission, just looking left and right and left again and going for it? Impound my vessel, confiscate my gear or tell me off more like?
I think that I am going to take to just turning up and berthing and leaving a note on the boat regardless of with QHM permission or not, coz its not like theres anyone at GQ to tell you to clear off or take your money even.
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Planty
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This is wierd, have booked at GQ loads of times, agree they do sometimes get things wrong, eg saturday booked 3 boats in weeks ago, turned up were expecting us Friday, but quite pleasant accepted their mistake and sorted out berths for us. Also the same guy seems to have been there for ages now and he is always in the little office above the ramp, when we arrive, or at worst on his bike on the pontoons.
Agree with others about longstay boats taking up moorings but at least they are there and paying I presume? My feeling is like many marinas, they get a bit peeved with people booking then not turning up etc, look at Poole Quay, forever booked, until yo call in at 9pm on the night then you get in no problem. Worst one of the lot IMHO is Cowes Yacht Haven, useless service, useless disinterested staff, blooming expensive. Unless you're a big rally/event, don't bother! Paul
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Agree with others about longstay boats taking up moorings but at least they are there and paying I presume? My feeling is like many marinas, they get a bit peeved with people booking then not turning up etc, look at Poole Quay, forever booked, until yo call in at 9pm on the night then you get in no problem. Worst one of the lot IMHO is Cowes Yacht Haven, useless service, useless disinterested staff, blooming expensive. Unless you're a big rally/event, don't bother! Paul
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Its_Only_Money
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I predict the standard answer to QHM will become "yes I have a booking", the vessel will then cross and sort out the berth when there. If challenged/snitched on by GQ the skipper will claim misunderstanding all round...... unless QHM propose to withholod permission while they verify that the requestor is, indeed, expected by GQ....?
Or am I too cynical?
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Or am I too cynical?
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QHM
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Re: eh?
Funnily enough the new LNTM is a relaxation of the current rules and not more red tape.
GQ is a private facility not a public landing.Since GQ opened there has been a requirement, clearly stated on their website, that visitors must book a berth 24 hours in advance. Because of this there was no need for them to man VHF Ch 80, however the popularity of the place has led to an ever increasing number of people simply crossing and going alongside regardless of GQ's rules. All these boats with nowhere to go have caused congestion at the entrance to GQ and consequently some near misses with other traffic passing the entrance legitimately.
From now on GQ are manning Ch 80 and will take bookings at short notice thus making it easier to go there not harder, at the same time this will reduce the number of people who cross without an allocated berth, making the harbour safer.
I hope this explains the changes.
All the best
Tom Herman
QHM
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Funnily enough the new LNTM is a relaxation of the current rules and not more red tape.
GQ is a private facility not a public landing.Since GQ opened there has been a requirement, clearly stated on their website, that visitors must book a berth 24 hours in advance. Because of this there was no need for them to man VHF Ch 80, however the popularity of the place has led to an ever increasing number of people simply crossing and going alongside regardless of GQ's rules. All these boats with nowhere to go have caused congestion at the entrance to GQ and consequently some near misses with other traffic passing the entrance legitimately.
From now on GQ are manning Ch 80 and will take bookings at short notice thus making it easier to go there not harder, at the same time this will reduce the number of people who cross without an allocated berth, making the harbour safer.
I hope this explains the changes.
All the best
Tom Herman
QHM
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