guidance for seized saildrive

trondhindenes

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Hi all,
last week I was supposed to pick up a newly purchased sailboat. Altho the boat is from the 80s, a professionally overhauled Volvo Penta D2-40 with brand new saildrive/gearbox was installed in the summer of 2021. The boat has not been used after the new motor was installed, except for a trial run a few months back, where we used the engine to get to and from the dock.

3 hours into me motoring the boat from the seller to my home port, the motor stopped. We discovered that it would not stay in gear (the motor would stop immediately when put in gear), tho in idle it runs completely fine. After some troubleshooting, diving to inspect the prop etc, we discovered that there was absolutely no oil in the gearbox (!). We filled it as per the manual and noted (to our horror) that it took pretty close to 3 liters of oil - which is the total oil capacity of the unit.

The morning after we tried the motor again, and now we could put it in gear without it stopping. We only tried low rpms as the boat was still tied to the dock.

I agreed with the seller to haul the boat out, empty the oil we filled to inspect it for metal parts, and probably remove the saildrive unit and have it inspected.

Here comes the question(s), please bear in mind that this is my first "proper" sailboat with an inboard diesel engine :-)

- We were quite surprised that the unit seemed to run fine after having filled oil. Is it possible that we were lucky and the unit has not suffered extensive damage? We have tried to inspect the oil thru the refill hole and cannot see any metal residue. My impression is that when a unit goes so hot that it seizes it's pretty much a death sentence so we were surprised to see it come back to life
- I'm unsure how much I should "push" the seller: This obviously comes out of his pocket so he might want to do the saildrive/gearbox inspection himself instead of having it done professionally (we're at a location on the planet where there's not a certified Volvo Penta rep on every street corner). He sees like he knows what he's doing but for the sake of my ease of mind I'd of course prefer to have a professional/certified VP mechanic weigh in

- I guess I'm looking for advice here. I'm worried that we'll find the oil looking good and everything seems good to go when I've in reality dramatically reduced the lifetime of my saildrive. I'm quite reluctant to try and reverse the sale but I need an engine/saildrive I can trust will be there for me when needed.

What would you do?
 
I'd want the entire sail drive stripped and all moving components inspected.
It's no use accepting it now on the basis of a satisfactory appearance of the new oil only to find later that some expensive damage has been done.
 
I'd want the entire sail drive stripped and all moving components inspected.
It's no use accepting it now on the basis of a satisfactory appearance of the new oil only to find later that some expensive damage has been done.
... and make sure that the folk who strip and inspect it aren't the same muppets who installed it without oil.
 
Stop feeling sorry for the person from whom you bought. This is a cold, hard commercial contract - the seller is not your friend, or relative. If it costs him - tough. Identify if he is actually responsible - or you are responsible.

Checking oil in engine and gear box are fairly standard procedure, usually easy and quick.

Normally when an engine is installed + gearbox the assembly is tested by a Volvo appointed engineer - or there is no warranty. It would be totally incompetent to test with no oil in the gearbox. The engine and gear box should be certificated and signed off.

But similarly you surely had a survey conducted......?

Have it done professionally - its your inconvenience and safety.

But if the yacht is still slipped you can empty the oil in the sail drive through a little 'bolt' in the base of the unit. Looking at the oil through the top up port will not tell you much. If its full of metal - you have a problem, if its clean - maybe you are lucky. But I'd have the sail drive off and disassembled - or I'd worry every time I left shore, mooring, marina. Sailing is meant to be relaxing - not on the verge of a nervous breakdown.

Jonathan
 
Highly unlikely it is repairable. Once the bearings run dry they are shot as well as the clutch which is lubricated by the same oil. Having had a seized saildrive in the past after the clutch seized (the inside when we opened it up was not a pretty sight!) pretty confident you will need a new drive (£5k+). Only question is who is liable.
 
Most instructors and engine manuals recommend an engine oil check daily and a gearbox oil weekly, or whenever returning to the boat unattended. Or something like that. If the seller started HIS boat without doing that, it's on him. It's also on him to take issue with contractors if he wants. Sorry but tough.

I think you are right. I wouldn't buy the boat as-is, I would want a full strip-down by Volvo.
 
Sorry to the bearer of bad news here. BUT if I understand this correctly - you have bought it, you then picked it up and then it stopped due to the lack of oil.

Presuming this is a private sale and no guarantees etc then surely some onus should be on the purchaser (or new owner in this case) to have checked fluids etc before the big off especially as the last time it was used for several months previously.
 
thanks for all your comments everyone, I appreciate it. Just to be clarify: The owner has stated that he's taking responsibility for getting this sorted, but I still feel I need to follow up and ensure "sorted" means something I'm comfortable with.

Having the seller do a personal inspection of the drive and deem it "looks fine" will (after reading your comments) NOT be acceptable for me. So thanks again everyone!
Thanks @Tranona for the details, your comment made me realize the importance of getting a skilled/certified mechanic inspect the drive.
 
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