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i guess some people have difficulty in recognising reality from hollywood ( propoganda ) movies ,,, are you still waiting for james bond to eliminate the eveil enemy ??
Greta Thunberg is crossing the Atlantic on Vagabond.
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cherod
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and your point being ???
newtothis
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Sailing is less lucrative than sitting in coffee shops. The cast of Friends made $1m an episode, so these guys are rank amateurs.
doug748
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The press are either at your feet or at your throat. Our Madonna of the Global Heatwave will be dropped eventually, as soon as she was taken up, by all the usual hangers on.
Turns out she has learning difficulties as well, God preserve us.
newtothis
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Makes her all the more impressive then, doesn't it? How many global movements had you launched at 16?
franksingleton
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Why shoot the messenger just because you do not like the message? She has got the message right. She is not a slow learner compared to Trump.
FlyingGoose
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She has Asperger's Syndrome, and to the untrained person like yourself you have no idea what that means , it is known as high functioning autism , were the child /person has an uncanny ability to be very smart but lacks social ques and skills and is unaware of there peers , that is why she comes across as aloof , those with Asperger's tend to be brilliant and focused on achieving goals and are notably people with a passion they are generally focused on one job and become extremely good at it with a higher than average IQ they excel at school and become important members of society with their drive for perfection, So to state learning difficulties sounds backdated to the 1980's where we labelled all people different as learning difficulties .
And why pray should I know all this because my 9 year old daughter as Asperger's Syndrome and she is an amazing achiever in school 2 years ahead of her time , but struggles with social ques and integrating into society ,
So one should learn before writing
If mistakes are made in this post is because I also have ASPIE but as a man it varies considerable to that of a female. so no corrections needed I get it.
laika
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Can everyone please get the message that there is a separate forum for non-sailing rants? A public figure crossing the atlantic with a couple of sailing youtubers is very sailing relevant. Ranting about what that person stands for is not and is not going to contribute to people's overall enjoyment of this forum.
(and also you should probably try to understand what the terms "learning difficulty" and "Asperger syndrome" actually mean before equating them on a public forum)
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franksingleton
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Agreed, but you cannot ignore a post that tries to devalue correct statements on spurious grounds.
doug748
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I am sure she is more mentally adroit than you, that's for sure. Grammar?
She has a history of mental disorder and is to be congratulated for overcoming it. However, my point, again, is nothing to do with her psychology, or global warming or her gratifying achievement on the world stage. It is about the nagging feeling that it is all a bit icky, a bandwagon.
She has served some vested interests very well: the carbon free YouTube documentary professionals with their 10 ton plastic boat equipped with 30hp diesel engines, the media certainly and the cabal of climate specialists. Her parents.
My reservations are about where she will be in 5 years time.
Before you post again read the words.
franksingleton
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Nevertheless, at #264 you said
There was no need to make comments implying that she had a mental problem. There was no need to use words like “Madonna of of the global heatwave.” That tells us a lot about your predilections. She is better Informed than many on the extremely serious issue of global warming. You seem not to be taking seriously the danger to mankind. How well she really understands the science I do not know. You come over as one of those who try to shoot the messenger.
newtothis
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One of Greta's constant quotes that I heartily support is "listen to the science". That is, she is not claiming expertise, but asking everyone to listen to the experts. There are plenty out there who still refuse to do so and hide their ignorance by casting aspersions over some sailing channel getting exposure from her decision to sail across the Atlantic rather than fly.
She wasn't saying no-one can ever fly, just making a personal decision not to and showing that, for her, there was an alternative.
Frankly, in this day and age, I can't see why the dinosaurs are getting so het up about it. It's their ancestors that are being dug up and burnt.
FlyingGoose
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Sorry DOUG 748 you have no idea what your talking about, and the phrases mental disorder are now frowned upon in a socially well informed society , there is evidence that there is no normal and we have all varying degrees of autism in us , one really should understand what you are saying rather that talking through your google searches , I urge you to read proper studies and not use phrases that are outdated, not accepted to describe autism and really rather sad , One day you might meet someone with Asperger's and you would never know , and then you would open your belly and let your words rumble out an offend said person,
As to sailing on a boat made of Fiberglas and diesel engines , what would you like one to do swim the Atlantic to suit your needs for carbon neutral , this is another silly pot shot at those trying to address climate change , should thoase campaigning go back to the stone age to suit your stringent requirements , it seems that if you cannot accept that a 16 year old girl has more twitter followers than you then you should leave it alone ,
As to sailing on a boat made of Fiberglas and diesel engines , what would you like one to do swim the Atlantic to suit your needs for carbon neutral , this is another silly pot shot at those trying to address climate change , should thoase campaigning go back to the stone age to suit your stringent requirements , it seems that if you cannot accept that a 16 year old girl has more twitter followers than you then you should leave it alone ,
laika
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If you say your post has nothing to do with climate change there is indeed no "bandwagon" subforum, however I think "current affairs" was re-branded to act as a catch-all here. Either way, post #264 isn't relevant to a sailing forum and I think most of us are here to discuss sailing independent of stuff people get angry and shouty about (except anchors, lassoing buoys, "we're racing" and sailing-specific bugbears).
Equating Asperger syndrome with "learning difficulties" is wrong. Not in a fluffy, moralistic "you'll offend people with mental health challenges" kind of way. It's just incorrect.
Beneteau381
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Point is that some one said they need thick skin to be a Youtube star! For that sort of money I would grow thick skin! Wind yer neck in!
doug748
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I think the girl may well have learning difficulties, that is my view. She may not but I don't know how you could possibly preclude it.
This is reported as the her medical diagnosis, as I understand it from her mother's book:
Asperger’s syndrome, high-functioning autism, and OCD. Selective Mutism. Eating disorders – anorexia with anxiety attacks and bouts of depression.
Either way I don't imagine anyone suffering these disadvantages can have anything but difficulties in learning. I also don't doubt that her parents fought to get her into her special school because of her educational requirements. All else is little more than semantics, in the context of my initial post.
She seems to have suffered a number of setbacks which makes it all the more contemptible if she is being exploited. The media love an underdog. The fact that they would latch onto a 16 year old with a record of vulnerability does not surprise me at all, I don't like it much. The Joan of Arc editorials will last as long as it suits them.
A number of views have been pinned on me which I don't hold. This is what one Swedish, feminist academic and journalist writes on the matter:
".........................I am also not questioning Greta’s role as a public speaker, nor the power of hundreds of thousands of protesting school children, nor that climate change is an existential threat to humankind.
But adults have a moral obligation to remain adults in relation to children and not be carried away by emotions, icons, selfies, images of mass protests, or messianic or revolutionary dreams.
Greta was recently named ”Woman of the Year” by a Swedish newspaper. But she is not a woman, she is a child. It is time we stopped to ask if we are using her, failing her, and even sacrificing her, for what we perceive to be a greater good."
Paulina Neuding
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capnsensible
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Dear Paulina Neuding,
She's famous. Get over it.
She's famous. Get over it.
franksingleton
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So, she has Aspergers. So what? So, it is believed, did Mozart. He learned quickly enough. But, that notwithstanding, the plain, simple, unadorned and much overlooked fact is that she is talking more sense about climate change than many adults in the forum and elsewhere. Whether or not it is her words or somebody else’s is irrelevant. Whether or not it is all a publicity stunt to sell her mother’s book is irrelevant. I cannot think of any other public figure saying that carbon neutral is not enough. There must have been but few have been reported. We must go carbon negative.
You are still shooting the messenger. You give the impression that you do not believe the message. If we had more adults making the same points and actually doing something, we would not need Greta. As it is, I hope that she will continue making news. The message may, eventually, penetrate a few thick skulls.
lw395
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Doesn't the fact that no other public figure is saying the same thing mean that she's not actually very influential at all?
franksingleton
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Regrettably, yes. But that does not mean either that what she says is incorrect nor that she should stop saying it. It clearly is correct. The failure of COP25 shows that those in power are avoiding facing up to the truth. The shambles currently surrounding COP26 is worrying in that it shows that Boris et al are not taking the issue seriously. Bring back Thatcher and Gummer. Never thought I would say that!
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