Greenpeace

[Iliade]

Much though I may agree with their sentiment, I feel that the action by Greenpeace is highly insensitive at the moment, not to mention downright bl00$y dangerous.

Hundreds gather to pay their respects to fishermen lost at sea after their boat sank

If ever there was a way to disenfranchise locals...

 

[geem]

I dont share the romantic view of fisherman being farmers of the sea. Fishermen would destroy all fish stocks given the opportunity. Trawling the sea bed in marine protected areas is insane. Protected areas should be line fishing only. The fish and wildlife in our seas belong to all of us not those that wish to destroy it for profit. I love the idea of Greenpeace dropping rocks in the protected zones. The same thing happened off Arun a few years ago when locals dropped cars on the seabed. Fishermen didnt like

 

[Bristolfashion]

Is there a point at which the destruction of the environment and lack of action by the administration becomes so desperate that direct, possibly dangerous & possibly illegal action is appropriate?

 

[Robin]

Is there a point at which the destruction of the environment and lack of action by the administration becomes so desperate that direct, possibly dangerous & possibly illegal action is appropriate?

NO

 

[Bristolfashion]

NO

So we should stand by and watch species become extinct & the destruction of irreplaceable habitat? What about where a corrupt or incompetent government is involved? Or, perhaps, illegal logging , poaching or mining?

 

[Babylon]

Much though I may agree with their sentiment, I feel that the action by Greenpeace is highly insensitive at the moment, not to mention downright bl00$y dangerous.

Hundreds gather to pay their respects to fishermen lost at sea after their boat sank

If ever there was a way to disenfranchise locals...

What action by Greenpeace? All you do is link to a local newspaper article from five months ago about the loss of a fishing boat and some lives. Did environmentalists cause this?

What point are you trying to make?

 

[oldgit]

The MAIB reports on the foundering of small fishing vessels makes for uncomfortable reading about safety at sea.

 

[Boathook]

What action by Greenpeace? All you do is link to a local newspaper article from five months ago about the loss of a fishing boat and some lives. Did environmentalists cause this?

What point are you trying to make?

I think it was about green peace dropping rocks in the sea in a marine protection zone. On the news last night.

News being bbc and possibly South.

Also here Anchoring problem in Brighton

 

[capnsensible]

Some years ago, the Gibraltar Government had concrete blocks placed in a conservation area north of the runway. Long been used by Spanish shellfish fisherman, illegally. Dragging the seabed had made it barren as the moon. Flourishing now though.

Just sayin.

 

[Mark-1]

So we should stand by and watch species become extinct & the destruction of irreplaceable habitat? What about where a corrupt or incompetent government is involved? Or, perhaps, illegal logging , poaching or mining?

In a democracy we all choose to stop that kind of thing, or choose not to as we wish.

People die on the roads in massive numbers, it wouldn't be good for a handful of people to block roads with rocks. Gazzilions of people are killed by smoking and obesity, we don't want a handful of people to start knocking down newsagents.

In a totalitarian state direct action is fair enough, not in a liberal democracy.

Of course in this case Greenpeace are doing the polluting. If/when Fishing is banned the sea will be back to its natural state quickly. (After fishing was suspended for WW2 they found the sea heaving with fish - that was only 6 years.) Greenpeace's pollution will be there for tens of thousands of years. (Unless you believe their claim that they will be recovering the rocks when they get what they want.) So direct action against Greenpeace to stop them polluting? Did you support that last time it happened, or did you think it would be better to follow the law? Your home is built on a bit of land that used to be natural at one point? Should direct action be taken against you and your property?

 

[Gary Fox]

Some years ago, the Gibraltar Government had concrete blocks placed in a conservation area north of the runway. Long been used by Spanish shellfish fisherman, illegally. Dragging the seabed had made it barren as the moon. Flourishing now though.

Just sayin.

Good to hear it can all grow back after being scraped.
Unlike the Gib Government (I think..?) we have a navy and a couple of fisheries protection vessels, who could end this problem next week, if the UK government possessed a pair of cojones between them.

 

[Robin]

I think it was about green peace dropping rocks in the sea in a marine protection zone. On the news last night.

News being bbc and possibly South.

Also here Anchoring problem in Brighton

on ITV LOCAL MERIDIAN NEWS LAST NIGHT.

 

[Mark-1]

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[ctva]

Problem is that the seabed is out of sight and out of mind. Mark1, your analogy is way off. The comparable situation would be to rip the countryside apart by heavy plant Because it is seen and visible to all, everyone jumps up and down and they wouldn’t get away with it. The dredgers just destroy the seabed then when depleted move on to the next area.

I rarely agree with Greenpeaces actions but in this case it’s a no brainier to support.

 

[Rappey]

Of course in this case Greenpeace are doing the polluting

I'm not sure how rocks are pollutants ?

 

[Mark-1]

Mark1, your analogy is way off. The comparable situation would be to rip the countryside apart by heavy plant

That's *exactly* what farming is. Fields aren't natural and they have heavy plant tearing them up all the time. We give up natural space for food which we need.

But this is nothing do do with fishing, it's about illegally dumping stuff at sea.

 

[Mark-1]

I'm not sure how rocks are pollutants ?

If a mining company was doing it you might change your view.

 

[Rappey]

But it's not a mining company. It's a few large rocks, not that different from the thousands that are placed in the sea for coastal defences.

 

[ctva]

That's *exactly* what farming is. Fields aren't natural and they have heavy plant tearing them up all the time. We give up natural space for food which we need.

But this is nothing do do with fishing, it's about illegally dumping stuff at sea.

You’re having a larf!, Farmers while not perfect are at least involved in maintaining bio diversity and nature in their farming, it’s visible and we can see it in action for the majority of farmers.

Dredgers on the other hand just rape the seabed and move on.

No comparison.

 

[Rappey]

I'm not saying what they are doing is correct but I also see why as no one is protecting a supposedly protected area.
It's good to have an informed view so here it is from the greenpeace side
Greenpeace blocks destructive fishing with 'boulder barrier' off the coast of Brighton