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Re: well, there\'s a vote soon...

Got married in 1970, total income was £100 approx per month after stopages.

Bought new house with 100% mortage.
Had enought income to by a new car.
Could afford to shop at Sainsbury's.
Played sqaush at the country club twice a week, and went out another 3 nights.
If you went to Hospital your illness was more likely to kill than the bugs in hospital.
The doctor gave you a perscription, and the chemist gave it to you free.
There was a NHS dentist around every corner, they were also free.
The optician was free.
There was free parking in the high street of most towns.
Went to London to visit wifes uncle, we used to wander around the Enbankment, and back to the Angel Isllington at night without thinking of muggers.
Kids left school who could read and write.
You retired at 60 / 65 and were paid a pension.
We had public transport that worked, just


To-day the answer to most of the above is no, but I do think about them.


Brian
 
Re: Phoney Tony.

Taking it as a whole the country seems to be in good shape moneywise but for how long, are we heading towards payback time?
Let me give you an example of the mother of all stealth taxes.
When `Phoney Tony` came to power, as a small businessman I paid my income tax after my year end as calculated by my accountant.
After changes to the tax laws I now pay my tax a year up front as estimated by my accountant, so unknown to the majority of the British public Gordon Brown has a extra years tax payment under his belt and of course on paper it looks good. But you can only pull that stunt once.
After this election whoever gets in is going to be struggling as they won`t be able to collect a double tax bonus from business.

You think we can see the light at the end of the tunnel.
More likely it`s the headlight on a train coming towards us.


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Value for money

When all is said and done what has been achieved in 8 yrs?

Lets see a annual report!

Everything is in worse shape.

I do not get value of money for my tax dollars and we are over governed by invisible ministers who are completely out of touch with the people who pay them.........Sack them fast



Things can only get better.


Give me strength!


Things can only get better
 
Re: yeah but...

If you pop out and buy Private Eye you'll find all sorts of interesting figures about Private Finance Initiatives which explain why Gordy's not spending as much, because he's hocked our future hospitals and schools to some money grabbing landlords who are fleecing us on the lease-back and maintenance. But that doesn't show up as capital expenditure of course. And when Labour have gone and someone else has taken over they will find they have no real estate in these sectors and are committed to being ransomed for the future.

The grinning toad.
 
Re: yeah but...

Have they not also flogged BBC's property and IT dept for £2b? IMHO the Beeb belongs to the licence payer as the government can't have paid anything to it in years yet the see fit to asset-strip it now. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif
 
Re: well, there\'s a vote soon...

I have to agree with the remarks made by Halcyon above - I got married about ten years later and enjoyed the same "priviledges." It seemed then that if you were prepared to work hard and pay your dues you got something back in return.

Nowadays it seems like the harder you work the more they tax you and the less you get in return. Quite apart from the obvious tax (NI) increases, I have to pay £23 per month for private dental care because no dentist in our area has stayed in NHS - thats £276 pa on my tax bill. In addition I pay approx £30 per month to use the M6 toll road because, due to lack of funding the state road system is close to gridlock - so the choice is sit in a traffic jam for 2 hours or pay the £3 to travel Club Class(!!!)

I couldlive with that if I thought that all of the extra money being collected was being used to good effect, but I see no evidence of any improvement in education, policing or healthcare - and there seems to be huge amounts of our money being wasted by inefficiency.

What is really scarey is that I dont see any viable alternative. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif
 
viable alternative

The reason there is no viable alternative, is beacuse as pointed out earlier , politicians are more concerned with gaining office, status and power and have precious little substance or indeed concern about whats good for this once great country and its people.

Heavens forbid anyone of them have the balls to set up and run or operate their own business, where real commericalism dictates policy..

Like the vast majority of teachers, who go to school , then varsity, then back to school, the majority of politicians have no real world experience of commercialism, and don't really understand how to run anything successfully!

They leave office hoping that they can waltz into and onto the board of some PLC who pays them for their "connections" after they have been dumped by other equally parasitic politicians.. their legacy, nothing other than moribund hugely overpaid and budgeted quangos, that contributed nothing, produced nothing, left nothing.
 
Re: yeah but...

Does it for me too, but we certainly ain't ever goning to get there with this lot of "style over content" tossers.

OK I'm only a thick brummie but how many more times do I have to hear how the same money is going to be spent again, wish I could do that, tell MDL I'm going to pay them with all my dividend this year, then tell Bank I'm going to pay the mortgage with it too, but then don't pay either!!!

If you subtract the amount of jobs created to "Govern" us by this lot the unemployed figures would be still as bad as they ever were. What was it one labour council now employs more people than BP globally?? How much money did that council make, not raise, make??

What was the last one? 20 mill "extra" for sommat or other 5 mill of that on "monitor groups and think tanks", boolox

How many mistakes before you're binned for good, ask Mandleson or Blunkett, try typing in Blunkett & legislation in Google, you'll get more returns than typing in tit.

When is someone going to ask Brown, "who was it taxed pension growth and knackered up that lot??"

Remember I live in the City that just got tainted by Vote fixing, strange that we can't even mention the obvious, god forbid the thought police might be onto us.

Oh well better get back to ensuring we've got enough money to pay the P35 return what with the none increase in personal taxation??

Pissed off today. Paul
 
well maybe I've missed somthing but Howard seems ok to me, he isn't in politics just for the money etc., as he has a very rich wife, who I assume gives him a wonderful life style. Anyway he doesn't need the money.

Totally agree re Brown and Blair with virtually all that has been said, just cannot understand how so many voted for them, and frighteningly the the current polls are still saying that they will win again. Even after a pointless war thats costing us millions.
 
Re: yeah but...

I can see now. Tax less, spend more (on me, or it wont count) and make up the difference from the billions of, erm, government wastage. Easy!

I cant wait to benefit when this lot get kicked out and the next lot of 'good guys' get elected and put it all right again. Someone be sure to tell them where all that 'wasted' money is. Maybe I'll be able to afford an even bigger boat myself!
 
Well we will find out in a few weeks time.

Those who have gained under this government will no doubt vote one way and those that have lost ground will vote another.Some of the "interesting" points of view expressed on this thread could lead one to suggest that with all this talent available to run the country,why instead of posting here do they not pop round to get their name on the ballot paper,ie just like that nice Mr Silk.
 
Re: Value for money

Tony, politicians dont run the country, the civil service does. The only problem is the politicians wont let them!
 
Re: Value for money

Nearest I ever got, was being asked to join the local club commitee, I fought against it for ages, but they seemed to genuinly want some business men on the commitee. What I then realised was, that the reason most of the others were there, was for what scams they could get out of it. Anyway we did finaly agree that the beer price was far to cheap and needed to go up, to ward off the forth coming bankruptsy. So a vote was taken and the price rise agreed.

A month later we noted that the beer was still the same price, so asked the Secretary who ran the place, did the book keeping and spent most of his money there. Also did the minutes of the meetings. Why has the beer not gone up????

He said. Theres nothing in the minutes about beer prices going up!!!

So I resigned and the place went bust.

Same thing with loads of enterprise trust thingies. I nievly thought they were there to help some folks. I'm sure thats how they start off. But they all become a method to feather some ones nest.

So your answer is. No half honest person would dream of going anywhere near polotics.
 
Re: yeah but...

Re student loans it's a total con.

I teach at a Kent Grammar School.

The expansion in university education has been in totally crap subjects e.g.sports studies, theatre studies etc etc whilst there has been a huge cut back in anything remotely useful to a technological society e.g. physics, chemistry.

The great thing is that it takes what Bliar intends to be 50% of the population out of the unemployment stats for three years.

Plus, unlike the two million plus who are long term sick in the UK instead of having to pay unemployment benefit or whatever to them, they end up in debt to HMG.

It's all down to market forces. In my school we are teaching soft subjects at A level as otherwise the swine will go to FE colleges rather than our sixth form.

Meanwhile universitys are expanding 'popular' courses to bring in the funding without asking how many forensic scientists (V. popular) the country needs.

I'm afraid we really are doomed captain................
 
Re: No Viable Alternative...

Interesting that most political parties slug it out over middle ground issues and as TCM has referred to earlier they all seem not to have the balls to tackle the bigger issues that really seem to vex the electorate. Then you get a party like the British National Party come along with some very radical proposals and they are basically criminalised.

I am not saying that I support the BNP but whatever happened to the "I dont agree with what the gentleman says, but I shall defend to my last breath his right to say it" sense of democracy.

Or are we consigned to never having any real choice other than smiley men in grey suits that spend five years unpicking the cardigan that the last bunch of smiley men in grey suits spent five years knitting? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
Re: No Viable Alternative...

This is what gets me. There seems to be only some things that we can vote about, only some things that we can say. But we did not decide this, so how is this a democracy?? I dont think I'm racist, but must admit I dont like folk walking around town in rag heads, or even skin heads, and cant abide yashmacks or balaclavas. Base ball caps back to front have me in a rage. But quite happy with a dark skinned doctor in a suit. AS LONG AS I DONT HAVE TO SPEAK ERDOO!! But like my friend says, whether we like it or not, if the populas of the country dont want, blacks, whites, muslims or christian in the country, it is suposed to be a democracy after all, and a free vote, wether the rest of us like it or not. What worries me, is who voted for many of the rules and dictates we have. I once asked my local councilor about yellw lines and things. He said that was far above his station and could not help or comment. So who makes the rules in this great democrasy of ours, not me.

Is'nt it quite ammasing that we can frequent asda land, tesco land and loads of other lands. How do they get by without parking metters, yellow lines or traffic wardens, after all they are all nearly the size of a small town, yet, there are no problems, folk get about quite effortlessly. No cars need toing away, or not what I've seen. No one parks in stuped places. No the ASDA equivelent of parking wardens is a person with HERE TO HELP on a badge near her tit /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif So my vote is for ASDA to run the country, maybe TESCO can help them out, even Curries, or carpet world. I know there not perfect, but they do seem to know sumat about customer service. The government is suposed to be our servent not our ruler, yet on any bit of paper I get from them it tells me what my fine will be if I dont obay, form experience, it even does it when I'm dead! So like I say, there are plenty of viable alternatives. We can just vote this whole crap system out. With our feet maybe.
 
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