barry1971
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Can anyone reccomend a good pair of breathable wellies.... I intend on splashing out on a decent pair as my old faithful Gill's have finally started letting in.
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Good Wellies
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seaesta
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Get some normal green farmers wellies. Completely waterproof, cheap and they "breathe" by pump action when you walk round the deck. I will not buy any more rip - off designer items that are inferior in most ways.
Martin
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Sorry - I don\'t like wellies on boats ...
Having fallen off a boat with boots on - I will never ever wear wellies again. I was lucky enough to be able to cling onto something and not be dragged down...... actually it was the dinghy and clinging on tiopped it over and lass went in as well !!
Honest - I advise anyone coming on my boat that I am not responsible if they wear wellies or high boots etc. I advise shoes of suitable design such as tennis or deck shoes etc.
You may call me silly - but there are two items I do not like to see done in this category :
Rucksacks / Backpacks worn in dinghys etc.
Wellies / high boots worn on boats .....
Call me daft if you like - but having nearly drowned from them .... its a no-no for me.
<hr width=100% size=1>Nigel ... and of course Yahoo groups :
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gps-navigator/
Having fallen off a boat with boots on - I will never ever wear wellies again. I was lucky enough to be able to cling onto something and not be dragged down...... actually it was the dinghy and clinging on tiopped it over and lass went in as well !!
Honest - I advise anyone coming on my boat that I am not responsible if they wear wellies or high boots etc. I advise shoes of suitable design such as tennis or deck shoes etc.
You may call me silly - but there are two items I do not like to see done in this category :
Rucksacks / Backpacks worn in dinghys etc.
Wellies / high boots worn on boats .....
Call me daft if you like - but having nearly drowned from them .... its a no-no for me.
<hr width=100% size=1>Nigel ... and of course Yahoo groups :
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gps-navigator/
whisper
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Re: Sorry - I don\'t like wellies on boats ...
Can you please explain to me the physics as to why a pair of boots are any worse than a pair of shoes with the same DRY weight ? I've often heard the story about waterfilled boots almost drowning people but can't understand it.
The water in the boots is no heavier than the water outside them. Actually if you keep relatively still for long enough the water will warm up and they should then be capable of a degree of positive buoyancy, relative to the cooler water outside. So if you are wearing boots then fill them with hot water before you jump in and you will fare better than if you go in wearing deck shoes. This will also help to postpone hypothermia.
Unfortunately this may mean that you will be in suspension with your head down and feet up. /forums/images/icons/smile.gif
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Can you please explain to me the physics as to why a pair of boots are any worse than a pair of shoes with the same DRY weight ? I've often heard the story about waterfilled boots almost drowning people but can't understand it.
The water in the boots is no heavier than the water outside them. Actually if you keep relatively still for long enough the water will warm up and they should then be capable of a degree of positive buoyancy, relative to the cooler water outside. So if you are wearing boots then fill them with hot water before you jump in and you will fare better than if you go in wearing deck shoes. This will also help to postpone hypothermia.
Unfortunately this may mean that you will be in suspension with your head down and feet up. /forums/images/icons/smile.gif
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jorinda
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I've got the Gill lace up the back ones and can reccomend them, rarely need socks in them even on cold days,
Regards Bob.
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Regards Bob.
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jimbouy
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Re: Sorry - I don\'t like wellies on boats ...
surely that's the point. If you have just fallen in you ain't going to keep still. Instead you'll be kicking your legs trying to swim with two sea anchors on the end. Try wading in knee depth water.
Sorry, I realise you may not be disagreeing with the point just asking for an explaination. Which I can't give.
And b4 some one tells me wellies aren't like sea anchors.I know. I'm just agreeing with the point.
So what to wear instead when it's chucking it down? Any ideas
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surely that's the point. If you have just fallen in you ain't going to keep still. Instead you'll be kicking your legs trying to swim with two sea anchors on the end. Try wading in knee depth water.
Sorry, I realise you may not be disagreeing with the point just asking for an explaination. Which I can't give.
And b4 some one tells me wellies aren't like sea anchors.I know. I'm just agreeing with the point.
So what to wear instead when it's chucking it down? Any ideas
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whisper
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Re: Sorry - I don\'t like wellies on boats ...
"Try wading in knee depth water" - it doesn't seem much different whether one has boots on or not. Mind you I've got fat legs.
Re. what to wear instead - if it's warm then a pair of designer sandals, if it's cold then a smart pair of ARCO lace up boots with steel toecaps to provide ballast as low down as possible/forums/images/icons/cool.gif
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"Try wading in knee depth water" - it doesn't seem much different whether one has boots on or not. Mind you I've got fat legs.
Re. what to wear instead - if it's warm then a pair of designer sandals, if it's cold then a smart pair of ARCO lace up boots with steel toecaps to provide ballast as low down as possible/forums/images/icons/cool.gif
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Mirelle
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The Irish leather ones, Dubarrys, are excellent, but expensive. They seem to wear well, though.
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cliff
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Re: Sorry - I don\'t like wellies on boats ...
100% agreed.
In answer to th equestions in other posts as to why not? try these simple tests then decide yourself.
Borrow a pair of "farmers green wellies", tie them together and attach a spring scales and weigh them. now lower them into the water and let them fill with water and weight them submerged. now you know the weight you will have round your feet when you fall in.
Next put the wellies on (dry) and see how easy it is to kick them off - easy ain't it? now put the wellies back on and fill them with water and try to get them off without rolling on your back and draining the water out. just try putting the toe of the left boot against the heel of the right boot and pull your right foot out - ain't so easy infact nearly impossible if the wellies are a good fit. Reason is you creat a partial vacuum in the boot when you try to pull your foot out and the wellie does not come off.
Now fall overboard wearing wellies with say ~ minus 4lbs of bouyancy which you cannot kick off add to that the drogue effect of the open top of the wellie and you sink! removing yourself from the genepool for good.
Good seaboots are waterproof, warm, float if dropped overboard, and have either an elasticated top or a draw cord to close the top of the boot to help slow the water getting in and to prevent the drogue effect.
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100% agreed.
In answer to th equestions in other posts as to why not? try these simple tests then decide yourself.
Borrow a pair of "farmers green wellies", tie them together and attach a spring scales and weigh them. now lower them into the water and let them fill with water and weight them submerged. now you know the weight you will have round your feet when you fall in.
Next put the wellies on (dry) and see how easy it is to kick them off - easy ain't it? now put the wellies back on and fill them with water and try to get them off without rolling on your back and draining the water out. just try putting the toe of the left boot against the heel of the right boot and pull your right foot out - ain't so easy infact nearly impossible if the wellies are a good fit. Reason is you creat a partial vacuum in the boot when you try to pull your foot out and the wellie does not come off.
Now fall overboard wearing wellies with say ~ minus 4lbs of bouyancy which you cannot kick off add to that the drogue effect of the open top of the wellie and you sink! removing yourself from the genepool for good.
Good seaboots are waterproof, warm, float if dropped overboard, and have either an elasticated top or a draw cord to close the top of the boot to help slow the water getting in and to prevent the drogue effect.
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Re: Sorry - I don\'t like wellies on boats ...
Wet or dry - I keep to sport shoes ...... preferably tennis shoes which are light and 'breathe'.
Why ? If they get wet - they dry out reasonably quickly, as another postee has said - water around the feet will warm up - so even when they are wet and still being worn - they will warm up .....
I can swim in tennis shoes - having failed in boots - I tghink I shall stay with the sport shoes ........
Cold - put some nice woolie socks on ....
And of course God's best footwear - bare feet in summer ....... non-slip, easy to clean, can swim with them .....
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<hr width=100% size=1>Nigel ... and of course Yahoo groups :
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gps-navigator/
Wet or dry - I keep to sport shoes ...... preferably tennis shoes which are light and 'breathe'.
Why ? If they get wet - they dry out reasonably quickly, as another postee has said - water around the feet will warm up - so even when they are wet and still being worn - they will warm up .....
I can swim in tennis shoes - having failed in boots - I tghink I shall stay with the sport shoes ........
Cold - put some nice woolie socks on ....
And of course God's best footwear - bare feet in summer ....... non-slip, easy to clean, can swim with them .....
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<hr width=100% size=1>Nigel ... and of course Yahoo groups :
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gps-navigator/
seaesta
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Re: Sorry - I don\'t like wellies on boats ...
Hmmm fascinating and and important views on safety. I suppose this is what the forum is all about.
I only use my farmers wellies is extreme rain and use old trainers the rest of the time so I suppose that is pretty much like Nigel. I really do not like spending all day with my feet in water - the skin gets soft. I may just buy another pair of wellies and cut them down to just above ankle height so they shed the water running down the oilies but present less drag. I will also have a go at swimming ( in shallow water) with my wellies this summer - look out for a posting in August!
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Hmmm fascinating and and important views on safety. I suppose this is what the forum is all about.
I only use my farmers wellies is extreme rain and use old trainers the rest of the time so I suppose that is pretty much like Nigel. I really do not like spending all day with my feet in water - the skin gets soft. I may just buy another pair of wellies and cut them down to just above ankle height so they shed the water running down the oilies but present less drag. I will also have a go at swimming ( in shallow water) with my wellies this summer - look out for a posting in August!
Martin
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Cactus
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Re: Sorry - I don\'t like wellies on boats ...
I'm just back from a week on a Global Challenge boat, and took me old man's 10-year-old Dubarrys with me. They are top wellies, not just because they really stayed dry inside, but the grip even on a flooded deck, heeled well over, was unbelievable - even for a fatty like me.
And, as the heel started to come off (these are so old the soles were not stitched just glued), I emailed Dubarry and they will repair them f.o.c.
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I'm just back from a week on a Global Challenge boat, and took me old man's 10-year-old Dubarrys with me. They are top wellies, not just because they really stayed dry inside, but the grip even on a flooded deck, heeled well over, was unbelievable - even for a fatty like me.
And, as the heel started to come off (these are so old the soles were not stitched just glued), I emailed Dubarry and they will repair them f.o.c.
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Gordonmc
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I bought a pair of very yottie blue wellies when I first became a boat owner a few years ago despite the fact I hate wearing them. This stems from having to wear them for work for hours on end.
Anyway, because of this aversion I only wore the things once or twice... then when I dug them out of a locker for a dinghy trip to the beach the things fell to bits. They had perished completely.
So in the Autumn I invested in a pair of Dubarries... leather and Goretex uppers, rather then all-nubuck which were too dear for my humble pocket.
They are so comfortable I now prefer them to deckies in the winter when helming for a few hours. The uppers fit quite snugly so I don't think they will hold a lot of water, unlike green farmers wellies and the drag caused by sallopettes make that argument redundant.
The soles are razor-cut just like deckies. Frankly I wouldn't fancy going forward in farmers boots with tractor tread in a F6.
But hey! Horses for courses.
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Anyway, because of this aversion I only wore the things once or twice... then when I dug them out of a locker for a dinghy trip to the beach the things fell to bits. They had perished completely.
So in the Autumn I invested in a pair of Dubarries... leather and Goretex uppers, rather then all-nubuck which were too dear for my humble pocket.
They are so comfortable I now prefer them to deckies in the winter when helming for a few hours. The uppers fit quite snugly so I don't think they will hold a lot of water, unlike green farmers wellies and the drag caused by sallopettes make that argument redundant.
The soles are razor-cut just like deckies. Frankly I wouldn't fancy going forward in farmers boots with tractor tread in a F6.
But hey! Horses for courses.
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SteveGorst
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Re: Sorry - I don\'t like wellies on boats ...
I've often thought about this one myself and think it comes down to a combination of inertia and the shape of the wellies. If the wellies have a large open top they will have a ratchet effect. They will go through the water easily in one direction, downwards, but the open top will put resistance on them going upwards. Therefore as you move up and down with the waves or you kick your legs about each time your legs move upwards the wellies will try and stay where they are and your body will move downwards. When your legs move downwards the wellies will give less resistance and they will go downwards and your body will stay where it is, 2 feet under the water. Repeated movement will just drag you deeper and deeper.
Wellies that tie at the top may be infinately better, but I'm not volunteering to try it!
Cheers
Steve
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I've often thought about this one myself and think it comes down to a combination of inertia and the shape of the wellies. If the wellies have a large open top they will have a ratchet effect. They will go through the water easily in one direction, downwards, but the open top will put resistance on them going upwards. Therefore as you move up and down with the waves or you kick your legs about each time your legs move upwards the wellies will try and stay where they are and your body will move downwards. When your legs move downwards the wellies will give less resistance and they will go downwards and your body will stay where it is, 2 feet under the water. Repeated movement will just drag you deeper and deeper.
Wellies that tie at the top may be infinately better, but I'm not volunteering to try it!
Cheers
Steve
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suse
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Wellies with ice and snow
Which are the best for gripping on ice and snow? My sea boots have enough grip for wet decks, but hopeless elsewhere. Yes, I shall need boots for ice, snow and sea! (Sailing south for the winter, well part of it, anyway)
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Which are the best for gripping on ice and snow? My sea boots have enough grip for wet decks, but hopeless elsewhere. Yes, I shall need boots for ice, snow and sea! (Sailing south for the winter, well part of it, anyway)
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Re: Wellies with ice and snow
Living in a climate of -20 to -30C in winter ...... I found out the hard way ...... no composite soles to boots / shoes - they don't grip in winter. Good soft rubber soles are the order of the day .....
<hr width=100% size=1>Nigel ... and of course Yahoo groups :
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gps-navigator/
Living in a climate of -20 to -30C in winter ...... I found out the hard way ...... no composite soles to boots / shoes - they don't grip in winter. Good soft rubber soles are the order of the day .....
<hr width=100% size=1>Nigel ... and of course Yahoo groups :
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gps-navigator/
AndrewB
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Having fallen in with wellies myself ...
I can confirm that whatever the principles of physics, they do feel like they are dragging you down and making it harder to swim.
The plus side is that once full of water, the loose-fitting agricultural type are very easy to kick off. In that situation I would hate to have a close-fitting pair, like yottie boots, and specially not one with ties. And costing under £10 rather than ten times as much, one does not hesitate to jettison them.
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I can confirm that whatever the principles of physics, they do feel like they are dragging you down and making it harder to swim.
The plus side is that once full of water, the loose-fitting agricultural type are very easy to kick off. In that situation I would hate to have a close-fitting pair, like yottie boots, and specially not one with ties. And costing under £10 rather than ten times as much, one does not hesitate to jettison them.
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whisper
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Re: Sorry - I don\'t like wellies on boats ...
What's the point of weighing the wellies with water in them? Surely the water within will be no more or less bouyant than the water without so its effect is neutral. The only time it will be negative is as you get out of whatever you fallen into.
I can see the value in the argument that they are difficult to get off though and swimming in them is probably more difficult.
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What's the point of weighing the wellies with water in them? Surely the water within will be no more or less bouyant than the water without so its effect is neutral. The only time it will be negative is as you get out of whatever you fallen into.
I can see the value in the argument that they are difficult to get off though and swimming in them is probably more difficult.
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whisper
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Re: Having fallen in with wellies myself ...
Interesting, Cliff says they are more difficult to remove - perhaps PBO should do a group test on this /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif
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Interesting, Cliff says they are more difficult to remove - perhaps PBO should do a group test on this /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif
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cliff
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Re: Sorry - I don\'t like wellies on boats ...
"What's the point of weighing the wellies with water in them? "
Think there is a little misunderstanding - weigh them when they are full of water and submerged to get the net negative bouyancy or the weight that will be gragging you down
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"What's the point of weighing the wellies with water in them? "
Think there is a little misunderstanding - weigh them when they are full of water and submerged to get the net negative bouyancy or the weight that will be gragging you down
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