going aground - getting off.

Although sailing is an interesting hobby there are not an infinite number of things to learn/talk/write about. I think two things follow from this: 1) the magazines cycle round topics over about 3 or 4 years and 2) readers subscribe for about 4 or 5 years, or just long enough to realize 1, then cancel.
 
There is no communication between PBO and YM editorial, otherwise it could be a case of what are you doing? really? Well we were going to do that....and they everyone goes running to the publisher. :)

PBO is based in Poole, and YM is based in London, there's no cross over of staff on the editorial side, so it's not as if they have a spy...at least I don't think they do :confused:

Our Expert on Board series has been running for quite a few years now, and it's unfortunate that PBO covers going aground the same month that it features in YM, but we're both magazines specialising in boats, we all use our boats, and see the same news, so maybe their thought process was triggered by the same thing ours was...who knows?

Next month we've got a highline rescue, which is a shoot we've been trying to set up for well over a year, hopefully they won't be doing that. Well not on my boat at least

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Thankyou for your reply
Well I think your answer, if as you are a representative of IPC via YM's Scuttlebutt in this case, is extremely poor and inadequate even though you timidly deny any responsibility of your employers by the closing sentence of your posting.
I was at least hoping for an official apology and to say that in future you would have a lot more interaction between editorial staff.
I would like you to follow this up by making it known to those in IPC who can make an official comment, that this situation is in my opinion a disgrace.
Heaven knows what would happen in some industries if two departments were doing identical work from a similar companies overall budget.... heads would roll!
you have my PM you are welcome to use it yet a public apology on this site and by means of an editorial apology in each magazine would definatly be more appropriate.
Yours with GREAT disappointment.
Scotty
 
Can't see a huge problem. after all if I actually take an interest in something, I'll probably look in at least two books for opinions and different slants on things. If you buy more than one mag for more than a year, there will be subjects that recur. If most people read both, the sensible thing would be to amalgamate I suppose?
 
Snooks... you need to get some weight out of yer forward locker... that nose down attitude will do no good for your time around the cans.


PS... whoever shot that is 1 and 1/3 stops out as well.
 
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Scotty_Twister said:
Thankyou for your reply
Well I think your answer, if as you are a representative of IPC via YM's Scuttlebutt in this case, is extremely poor and inadequate even though you timidly deny any responsibility of your employers by the closing sentence of your posting.
I was at least hoping for an official apology and to say that in future you would have a lot more interaction between editorial staff.
I would like you to follow this up by making it known to those in IPC who can make an official comment, that this situation is in my opinion a disgrace.
Heaven knows what would happen in some industries if two departments were doing identical work from a similar companies overall budget.... heads would roll!
you have my PM you are welcome to use it yet a public apology on this site and by means of an editorial apology in each magazine would definatly be more appropriate.
Yours with GREAT disappointment.
Scotty
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lighten up scotty and give the guy a break - he went to the bother of explaining the background to us all. Official Apology?? for covering a relevant topic that could be of benefit to us all? not appropriate in my estimation. Still we could be living on different planets....
 
snooks said:
it's unfortunate that PBO covers going aground the same month that it features in YM
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Unfortunate also that YM and YW should chose to cover the OSTAR in depth the same month :confused:
Why not have YM cover the departure and YW the arrival (or the other way round)

It continues to amaze me that IPC keeps the 3 separate titles in print. The blatant editorial crossover (by accident or by design :p ) has been evident for years now. Let's face it, there's not enough news to go round.

Why not publish one magazine - Practical Yachting World Monthly - and be done with it? It might even be worth buying. :o
 
snooks said:
There is no communication between PBO and YM editorial, otherwise it could be a case of what are you doing? really? Well we were going to do that....and they everyone goes running to the publisher. :)

PBO is based in Poole, and YM is based in London, there's no cross over of staff on the editorial side, so it's not as if they have a spy...at least I don't think they do :confused:
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So what does Group Magazine Editor Garry Coward-Williams do for a living, then?
 
Scotty_Twister said:
YM and PBO
Why oh why am I paying for two magazines each month from the same publisher to find there are several pages this month on exactly the same theme by two different writers.
Are you both that short of things to say?
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Why am I reading exactly the same (duplicate) post under Yachting Monthly's Scuttlebutt forum as I just did under Practical Boat Owner's Reader to Reader forum ? :D






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I'm blissfuly ignorant, and of this problem, I can only afford to buy one w**k mag, so I stick to PBO. I'm above the dingy sailors in Yachts and Yachting, but don't aspire to the 30+ or even 40+ foot yats in Yachting Monthly, and Yachting World is just another World.

In the words of Monty Python, or was it TW3, know your place, and in the words of me, stick to it.
 
as for Sawdoc saying lighten up, I pay hard earnt cash by subscription to get the same information from two seperate mag's run by the same company which are supposed to have different identities.

I guess I'm more than a little naive when I expect to get different information then?
 
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Scotty_Twister said:
as for Sawdoc saying lighten up, I pay hard earnt cash by subscription to get the same information from two seperate mag's run by the same company which are supposed to have different identities.

I guess I'm more than a little naive when I expect to get different information then?
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Did you take out the subscriptions before reading a few issues? Silly man, you wouldn't go into a showroom and buy a car without finding out about it or test driving it would you?
 
Scotty,

I've passed you're comments onto Paul, but I'd like to point out that all three magazines are run as three different companies. Each with their own writers, style and way of presenting things.

With stories like the 79 Fastnet anniversary the magazines can cover the same topic in different ways. Even though the grounding solutions are the same, the same topic is covered in different ways.

PBO goes into how to get yourself off in detail, where as YM looks more at the anatomy of grounding, where it's likely to happen, when you might go aground, and gives first actions for when you touch. So while at first glance the articles are about the same topic, they do have different information and are far from the same article reproduced verbatim

YM have no more knowledge or control about what goes into PBO than we do about what's going into Sailing Today.

Personally I'd rather have sailors like us (5 out of 8 YM staff own a yacht) decide what goes into Yachting Monthly, than it be decided upon by directors that oversee all the Inspire magazines from Cage and Avery Birds to Prediction magazine.

photodog said:
Snooks... you need to get some weight out of yer forward locker... that nose down attitude will do no good for your time around the cans.


PS... whoever shot that is 1 and 1/3 stops out as well.
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That's Lester's photography for you ;) I'm under the sprayhood:p

I've taken all that weight out, but look what's happened!
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Wot now? :)
 
snooks said:
YM have no more knowledge or control about what goes into PBO than we do about what's going into Sailing Today.

Personally I'd rather have sailors like us (5 out of 8 YM staff own a yacht) decide what goes into Yachting Monthly, than it be decided upon by directors that oversee all the Inspire magazines from Cage and Avery Birds to Prediction magazine.
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Whilst editorial independance is a 'good thing' when joe public is aware that both publications share the same owner such incidents simply look like an organisation which has brewery visit problems. Yachting world has very succesfully differentiated itself from the other 2 so uch so I never buy it now, but PBO and YM keep shooting themselves in the foot like this.

I am quite prepared to believe that the articles are taken from different viewpoints but that is with the benefit of your explanation not what the man in the paper shop has to choose from before the clapham omnibus come along.

Having said that I will still look carefully at the contents before deciding to buy YM this month.

Can your owners really afford to have customers think twice before buying in the present business climate.
 
Thanks for getting back to me again Graham,

You say "YM have no more knowledge or control about what goes into PBO than we do about what's going into Sailing Today."

Totally rediculous! A good reason why the IPC magazines cannot hang on to the same readers.
It seems to me as if the organisation is too big and thus has no control over its publications.
For a start the left hand needs to know exactly what the right is doing and both need to know what the opposition is up to. I mentioned that I may be a little naive in one of my postings, but surely the editorial managers are not all fresh from doing their GCSE's are they?
Enthusiasm and an interest in what you are doing is good, but not enough if the magazines are to both survive and flourish long term.
I now work for a company that has 10 sub companies. They all have a common core of business activity but there is one particular rule that remains as being very important... you do not steal each others customers!
That in a way is what PBO and YM are doing.
 
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