Global warming

Actually thats what I thought it was at first but being a smartarse I looked it up in Collins dictionary of quotations and it said "dissaprove" so I changed it. It didn't know who said it first though so I think no one knows.... /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
Re: Oh yes? Not Bollix I think.

Quite correct, but the point is that the planet hes warmed considerably since 1950 and the sun has been entirely stable since1950 /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif. Gawd how many times does one have to repeat the same thing!!!!!!!
 
Re: Oh yes? Not Bollix I think.

Yes Moose it is, but I think that as these guys don't even read a post thoroughly before they reply, I would bet they haven't had the patience to download it at all. How many posters on here do you think has actually read the whole report and understood it? You me and who else? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
Re: Oh yes? Not Bollix I think.

So you are doing the intelligent thing and keeping an open mind then???? /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Re: Oh yes? Not Bollix I think.

What was encouraging was a heart-to-heart chat over Christmas with a 13 year old nephew. The young are terribly clued up about man-made global warming. I wouldn't worry too much about the senior citizens on here - the older generation always tend to be stuck in their opinions.

I was recently on the River Lea entrance at high water springs. Victorian engineers had built the landing stage on the tidal side of the lock to incredible precision and economy just half an inch higher than the highest spring. Of course it is now regularly under three inches of water and the EA have had to build a little foot-high concrete wall on top of it.

Not only are higher sea levels already with us, but here in London Beech and Willow are dying off rapidly - a 400 year old Beech just round the corner here has just given up the struggle. Other tree species are under horrible stress and will be lost.

I said to my nephew "We've made a bit of a mess of it, haven't we? Not much of a world to leave you, really." He patted my arm as if to say "Well, when you lot and your 4x4s are all history, we'll just have to make it right the best we can."

Hats off to the next generation.
 
Re: Oh yes? Not Bollix I think.

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Quite correct, but the point is that the planet hes warmed considerably since 1950 and the sun has been entirely stable since1950 /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif. Gawd how many times does one have to repeat the same thing!!!!!!!

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So did you selectively ignore Pugwash's post as it didn't fit in with your theory?
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"As the scientists from Germany, Finland, and Switzerland report in the current issue of the science journal "Nature" from October 28, one needs to go back over 8,000 years in order to find a time when the Sun was, on average, as active as in the last 60 years. Based on a statistical study of earlier periods of increased solar activity, the researchers predict that the current level of high solar activity will probably continue only for a few more decades.

The research team had already in 2003 found evidence that the Sun is more active now than in the previous 1000 years....

From press release of Max Planck Instutite for Solar System Research, in 2003. " </span>
 
Re: Oh yes? Not Bollix I think.

No actually, I ANSWERED pugwash.... or perhaps you just chose to ignore that?
But as you have already declared your mind is closed to all arguments and have made your mind up already there is not much point in actually continuing further is there?
 
Re: Oh yes? Not Bollix I think.

Yes.... The wisdom of childhood is often quite surprising and refreshing isn't it.
Over Christmas I intervened between two of my grandchildren (8 and 5) where the older was monopolising a toy belonging to the younger. I tried to persuade the older boy that he was taking unfair advantage because he was bigger... "That's not fair really is it"? said I. The younger looked up, sighed and said..... "Thats all right Grandpa... the world is not a fair place anyway is it"? Such wisdom at age 5.....
Lets hope they don't lose it as they get older!
 
Re: Oh yes? Not Bollix I think.

Not really. No. These debates are always a waste of time. It's always an argument of contradictions by two entrenched camps.
 
Re: It doesn\'t need global warming.

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Southern England is gently sinking on it's continental plate as a result of ice melting from Scotland and Northern Europe last ice age. As the Northern parts continue to rise, the South coast sinks.

[/ QUOTE ]That's right - blame the Scots and teh other Celts for your woes - it is all out fault for allowing the ice to melt and sink the south of england. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
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Re: It doesn\'t need global warming.

Sinking the South Coast of England seems like a great idea to me. look at all the extra space they will get on the Solent! Loads more room to build yet more Marinas, to relieve the yotties of their cash!.........





I'm just going....
 
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Several of the replies on here are taking man's involvement in climate change and global warming as a given.
That is conjecture and opinion. Whether or not it's backed-up with statistics from the Met Office. They are only interpretations of observed data.

I am awaiting conclusive proof. If the doom-merchants are right it will be too late to have an effect. But as we probably aren't having the level of effect that is being suggested, then completely stopping our activities will similarly have little effect.

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Looks like we're well on the way to getting the proof you're after...
 
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99% of all known scientists will do for me.


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So you reckon there are only 2225 and a bit scientists in the world?

(this is how misinformation begins)

And what has boot polish got to do with it?
 
Your "perhaps not" link seems to agree with my IPCC link that climate change is an issue and is caused by man, in fact he even refers to the (then) coming IPCC report which I linked to. To quote from your "perhaps not" link:-

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"Climate change is a reality, and science confirms that human activities are heavily implicated in this change...

The language of catastrophe is not the language of science. It will not be visible in next year's global assessment from the world authority of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)...

The IPCC scenarios of future climate change - warming somewhere between 1.4 and 5.8 Celsius by 2100 - are significant enough without invoking catastrophe and chaos as unguided weapons with which forlornly to threaten society into behavioural change...

I believe climate change is real, must be faced and action taken."

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Since your chap's comments the IPCC have upgraded their pessimism:-

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It says it is more than 90% likely that human activities have caused most of the warming in the past 50 years.
The last IPCC report, in 2001, said the link was merely "likely", or at least 66% probable.
"That is a big move. I hope it is a powerful statement," said Jan Pretel, head of the department of climate change at the Czech Hydrometeorological Institute.
There had been speculation the participants might try to say it was "virtually certain" humans had caused climate change.
But the Chinese delegation was reported to be resistant. As the world's fastest-developing nation, strong action on warming could hit its growth.


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Once more

We have just had the warmest January since 1916

This year the cause was global warming

What caused the 1916 event?
 
You'll have to argue out the statistics with the IPCC that Lakesailor's chap holds in such esteem.
 
When politicians beleive in it they will start, en masse, walking and video conferencing rather than flying to summits. Scientific gatherings such as this will do the same. If you preach hairshirts then you must also practice them.

I still have not seen much response on the volcano remarks, which might be more pertinent if Vesuvius pops its possibly overdue cork.
 
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