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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2032575,00.html

George Monbiot
Tuesday March 13, 2007
The Guardian


Were it not for dissent, science, like politics, would have stayed in the dark ages. All the great heroes of the discipline - Galileo, Newton, Darwin, Einstein - took tremendous risks in confronting mainstream opinion. Today's crank has often proved to be tomorrow's visionary.

But the syllogism does not apply. Being a crank does not automatically make you a visionary. There is little prospect, for example, that Dr Mantombazana Tshabalala-Msimang, the South African health minister who has claimed Aids can be treated with garlic, lemon and beetroot, will be hailed as a genius. But the point is often confused. Professor David Bellamy, for example, while making the incorrect claim that wind farms do not have "any measurable effect" on total emissions of carbon dioxide, has compared himself to Galileo.

The problem with The Great Global Warming Swindle, which caused a sensation when it was broadcast on Channel 4 last week, is that to make its case it relies not on future visionaries, but on people whose findings have already been proved wrong. The implications could not be graver. Just as the government launches its climate change bill and Gordon Brown and David Cameron start jostling to establish their green credentials, thousands have been misled into believing there is no problem to address.

The film's main contention is that the current increase in global temperatures is caused not by rising greenhouse gases, but by changes in the activity of the sun. It is built around the discovery in 1991 by the Danish atmospheric physicist Dr Eigil Friis-Christensen that recent temperature variations on Earth are in "strikingly good agreement" with the length of the cycle of sunspots.

Unfortunately, he found nothing of the kind. A paper published in the journal Eos in 2004 reveals that the "agreement" was the result of "incorrect handling of the physical data". The real data for recent years show the opposite: that the length of the sunspot cycle has declined, while temperatures have risen. When this error was exposed, Friis-Christensen and his co-author published a new paper, purporting to produce similar results. But this too turned out to be an artefact of mistakes - in this case in their arithmetic.

So Friis-Christensen and another author developed yet another means of demonstrating that the sun is responsible, claiming to have discovered a remarkable agreement between cosmic radiation influenced by the sun and global cloud cover. This is the mechanism the film proposes for global warming. But, yet again, the method was exposed as faulty. They had been using satellite data which did not in fact measure global cloud cover. A paper in the Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics shows that, when the right data are used, a correlation is not found.

So the hypothesis changed again. Without acknowledging that his previous paper was wrong, Friis-Christensen's co-author, Henrik Svensmark, declared there was a correlation - not with total cloud cover but with "low cloud cover". This, too, turned out to be incorrect. Then, last year, Svensmark published a paper purporting to show cosmic rays could form tiny particles in the atmosphere. Accompanying the paper was a press release which went way beyond the findings reported in the paper, claiming it showed that both past and current climate events are the result of cosmic rays.

As Dr Gavin Schmidt of Nasa has shown on www.realclimate.org, five missing steps would have to be taken to justify the wild claims in the press release. "We've often criticised press releases that we felt gave misleading impressions of the underlying work," Schmidt says, "but this example is by far the most blatant extrapolation beyond reasonableness that we have seen." None of this seems to have troubled the programme makers, who report the cosmic ray theory as if it trounces all competing explanations.

The film also maintains that manmade global warming is disproved by conflicting temperature data. Professor John Christy speaks about the discrepancy he discovered between temperatures at the Earth's surface and temperatures in the troposphere (or lower atmosphere). But the programme fails to mention that in 2005 his data were proved wrong, by three papers in Science magazine.

Christy himself admitted last year that he was mistaken. He was one of the authors of a paper which states the opposite of what he says in the film. "Previously reported discrepancies between the amount of warming near the surface and higher in the atmosphere have been used to challenge the reliability of climate models and the reality of human-induced global warming. Specifically, surface data showed substantial global-average warming, while early versions of satellite and radiosonde data showed little or no warming above the surface. This significant discrepancy no longer exists because errors in the satellite and radiosonde data have been identified and corrected."

Until recently, when found to be wrong, scientists went back to their labs to start again. Now, emboldened by the denial industry, some of them, like the film-makers, shriek "censorship!". This is the best example of manufactured victimhood I have come across. If you demonstrate someone is wrong, you are now deemed to be silencing him.

But there is one scientist in the film whose work has not been debunked: the oceanographer Carl Wunsch. He appears to support the idea that increasing carbon dioxide is not responsible for rising global temperatures. Wunsch says he was "completely misrepresented" by the programme, and "totally misled" by the people who made it.

This is a familiar story to those who have followed the career of the director Martin Durkin. In 1998, the Independent Television Commission found that, when making a similar series, he had "misled" his interviewees about "the content and purpose of the programmes". Their views had been "distorted through selective editing". Channel 4 had to make a prime-time apology.

Cherry-pick your results, choose work which is already discredited, and anything and everything becomes true. The twin towers were brought down by controlled explosions; MMR injections cause autism; homeopathy works; black people are less intelligent than white people; species came about through intelligent design. You can find lines of evidence which appear to support all these contentions, and, in most cases, professors who will speak up in their favour. But this does not mean that any of them are correct. You can sustain a belief in these propositions only by ignoring the overwhelming body of contradictory data. To form a balanced, scientific view, you have to consider all the evidence, on both sides of the question.

But for the film's commissioners, all that counts is the sensation. Channel 4 has always had a problem with science. No one in its science unit appears to understand the difference between a peer-reviewed paper and a clipping from the Daily Mail. It keeps commissioning people whose claims have been discredited - such as Durkin. But its failure to understand the scientific process just makes the job of whipping up a storm that much easier. The less true a programme is, the greater the controversy.

www.monbiot.com
 
Of course George Monbiot knows as much about science as most people..............nothing. He can of course pick apart the program by selecting one bad egg but I thought I heard at least half a dozen more scientists all debunking man made global warming.
 
Does anybody apart from Grauniad readers believe anything Monbiot says? With his extreme left wing and anti capitalist views it is hardly surprising he is high up on the global warming bandwagon. I think his motives are to use the environmental movement to attack and destroy the capitalist economy. After the collapse of the Soviet bloc and the general discrediting of communism, lots of people like him took refuge in the green movement.
 
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Being a crank does not automatically make you a visionary.

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That is, I think at the heart of it. And the basis for some of the crazier debates on here.

It is an approach that Bush attempted at one time to justify his war in Iraq against all advice. His advisors seemed to have pulled the plug on that line of argument - sometimes a crank is just a crank.
 
Monbiot also said:

"Let me begin by admitting that almost every environmentalist I know - and I include myself - is a hypocrite. We all want people to live by codes rather stricter than those we apply to ourselves"

No disputing that. We can argue all we like but in the unlikely event that consensus is achieved (that man is the root cause of global warming) who is going to be the first on this forum to make an effort to reduce his (ugly expression coming up) carbon footprint?
 
So like I said before, its all smoke, mirrors and media hype. I tend to agree with the general view in Monbiots article but how do I verify it? This is just another journalist with a bias in the other direction. Who tells the truth anymore anyway? One lot are selling TV air time, the other newspapers! Think I will just stick with my Geologist sons view.... Yes we are pumping loads of Co2 up there and it ain't good. Is it causing global warming..... maybe but the data needs to run on more than 40 years to convince me... Should we clean up our act... absolutely yes! what have we got to lose by doing so?
 
The point powerfully made in the "Swindle" programme is that the developing countries have a great deal to lose if they stop developing. What they lose most of is peoples lives................. through poverty and disease, which thrives in the absence of clean water and electricity.
 
It seems science is to be confused with political debate by some. Polemic? Read Carl Wunsch's comments on his contribution to the C4 programme.

http://ocean.mit.edu/~cwunsch/papersonline/channel4response

Can we not trust programme makers to get anything right? So what is the point of television - to cram as many adverts into an hour as possible - probably, while the truth lies festering in ambiguity. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
I have made this point before myself but doing something about it ourselves in the west does not automatically mean suppressing development in the third world.
I do not advocate a ban on development, in fact I think the increase in the burning of fossil fuel in the third world is inevitable in the short term, but if we reduce our own emissions in the west (and the USA is the worst overall polluter there is) we still help the problem considerably in the short term and set a good example to the rest. Not reducing ours and stopping others is as I said before also, like updating our Trident system and telling Iran it can't have nuclear power. Don't do what I do do what I say!
 
Well he does not seem to be a happy bunny does he? Adds a lot of fuel to the fire of discontent with the programmes content does it not?
 
I do hold shares in oil companies (as a tiny proportion of my portfolio). So do you if you have a pension fund. My point is that Monbiot is just a left wing anti-capitalist who has jumped on to the environmentalist bandwagon when the wheels fell off the communist one.
 
I don't quite follow the logic here. Monbiot's quoted piece has nothing to do with right / left politics, but it does make a number of very pertinent points about the media's normally pretty poor, but in this case apparently deliberately dishonest, treatment of scientific issues. I happen to share his disquiet at the growing failure to distinguish between rational, evidence based, hypotheses and faith based assertions. I would agree with this position regarless of where on the left / right political spectrum Monbiot happens to sit, and indeed fail to see its relevance.
 
You have missed the point. Monbiot takes a totally one sided view, and even if he has found faults with the Channel 4 programme, he does not even attempt to pick holes in the environmentalists arguments, because he approaches this from the position of a committed anti capitalist for whom the destruction of the world's economy would be seen as a victory. The result of his sort of thinking has now infected government to the extent that we are now being told that carbon emissions have to be cut by 60% by 2050 regardless of the fact that this will condemn the next generation to a miserable existence.
 
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