Gibraltar is like Marmite.

DownWest said:
From my older memories of Gib. Orbister has a point. There was certainly a lot of smuggling in the 70s and 80s. There were a lot of nondiscript ex racing boats that used to set off a dusk and return in the early hours via Morroco and Spain. As long as they kept the stuff off Gib, it was OK.Every body knew it and made no comment. Opening a legit business was only possible if you made the correct 'friends' and used their contacts. We tried it. Backed off after looking at the 'friends' and their demands.(and their other business 'interests')
The Spanish were quite rightly annoyed at all this under their noses and I hope it has all been cleaned up (tho. I did see a film not long ago about cigarette smuggling around there) Since they are no longer quite so keen on reclaiming it I assume it is now the squeeky clean utopia that VO5 discribes .
We only went there because of the yacht facilities which were un-available elswhere at the time. And stayed as short a time as possible.
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Oh, St Michaels (M&S) was good for UK treats
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The only fast black ribs in Gib waters now are the local Gib police. You cannot enter gib waters ina rib with HP over 150 or it will be seized.

Where I am in Spain (costa del sol) the brits who have been here many years confirm that often after dark in our Marina, a flat bed lorry would turn up, as the lights would be turned down, a rib would be launched, a few hours later the reverse precedure would happen the rib having returned under cover of darkness from Africa, the lorry and rib wold then leave

As the lights were turned down the local fuzz were strangley absent
 
An aquaintance journalist published (at some personal risk ) a piece about the smuggling on the costas. Blatent corruption of the police. And the general attitude that it was not a Spanish problem. As it was all destined for Northen Europe. Also part of the piece was about the huge construction projects in S. Spain to get rid of their (bent) pesetas before the euro came in.
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Well there has been nothing on this thread to entice me back into Gib'. As for VO5's attitude.....get a grip on life and take those rose tinted spec's off.

A typical ex-pat yachtie, the ones most live-aboard cruisers tend to want to avoid - but then live-aboards aren't welcome in Gib' anymore are they? they don't spend enough!
 
Ariadne said:
Well there has been nothing on this thread to entice me back into Gib'. As for VO5's attitude.....get a grip on life and take those rose tinted spec's off.

A typical ex-pat yachtie, the ones most live-aboard cruisers tend to want to avoid - but then live-aboards aren't welcome in Gib' anymore are they? they don't spend enough!
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What peculiar ideas you seem to have, and what curious statements you make.:eek:
What do you mean liveaboards don't spend enough ? How much is enough ?
How much is not enough ?
 
Latest...

Latest news..

Kaiane Aldorino, one of our natural beauties, has swept aside all the UK contestants for the title in the finals and has won the Miss World Competition.

This must be the reason for all the noise on The Rock last night.:D

Congratulations, Marvellous !
 
As it is a brilliant sunny day, I took the corniche with white wall tyres out today, first to Morrisons for all the plonk for the festive season. Then to Catalan Bay, a charming fishing village on the East Side of the Rock, for tea and buttered scones.

There I learnt that Miss World is dating a boy from the village.

I was told the festivities there last night were incredible.:D
 
Christmas

Hey Ho off to Gib we go ...... arriving back in time for Christmas celebrations. Great place and this year's 12th night Cavalcade should be something special ....Miss World ? I'm taking my camera !!

Anybody fancy a drink?

David
 
Like Marmite?

Well in that case I love it, the only place in Spain to find the old Bill and Marks and Spencers Food!

I was only there for about 8 hours we moored up cleaned the boat off, Captain put 60,000 euros of fuel into the tanks I managed to convince the Mate to let me get to M&S So I did on bike. Would like to have stayed longer!

If anyone needs a skipper or Crew then please let me know, I need to get off the Isle of Wight and England soon!
 
Yesterday and today were the first cold days recorded since last year due to a mild northerly airstream...sun out, clear blue sky, light surface breeze, temperature 14 degrees and everybody grumbling about how "freezing" it felt..:D

Today temperature higher but overcast and dry still.

Now everybody grumbling about the sun disappearing.:D

Talk about people being spoilt..:eek::D
 
David, you are missing it !:D
We are having a party..music by Edmundo Ros, goodies from Amar's, any drinks you like. :D
Miss World arrives tomorrow !:D
 
VO5 wrote:
Listen orbister, pay attention.

First of all there is no drug smuggling in Gibraltar because there are no drugs to smuggle. The drugs originate in Morocco, because that is where they are cultivated and where they are harvested.

They are slipped over the border into Ceuta (which is Spanish territory) which is on Morrocan soil, on the other side of the Straits of Gibraltar.

Then these drugs you talk about are transported across the Strait in fast ribs under cover of darkness by Spaniards and are landed in mainland Spain. So it starts and ends being a Spanish problem and has nothing to do with Gibraltar.

Now here is another cannonball roaring in your direction, so take cover or have your head blown off..

There are no dodgy financial services. All the financial services are very tightly regulated under very strict supervision to conform with all the requirements agreed by the financial community in Europe, the UK and the USA. And your dubious tax slur is just sour grapes, the politics of envy. LOL.

What you might or might not prefer, orbister, is of no consequence.

As you do not pay the bill, you have no right to bleat.

Gibraltar is totally self sufficient, has a huge surplus, and does not rely on the UK for one penny.

There are many British ex pats who live in Spain who would like to take up residence here who have similar insidious opinions like the ones you have.

Fortunately the elected Government of Gibraltar, in its wisdom, has created, like in the Channel Islands, a two tier housing system that effectively prevents undesireable and impecunious rabble settling here.

I am all in favour of it. I am in favour of a lot of things you are probably not in favour of I reluctantly have to tell you and just one of them is contained in the above paragraph for your benefit and my satisfaction.

It appears that you are equally ignorant about Spanish politics and Spanish foreign policy as well. You ought to learn the language and read the Spanish press with care, and then you would not make the inept and ignorant statements that you do.

You know nothing about the subject, otherwise you would not be making the ill considered statements that you do blurt out.

The Spanish people on the whole are charming and friendly and fun loving.

They unfortunately have inherited the remnants of the ghost of Spanish Fascism that is kept alive like a flickering flame by a progressively more distanced and irrelevant old guard on the fringes of national politics of a nation included in a modern Europe.

These are old political dinosaurs that have survived the fascist Franco era and remain involved with Spanish politics, but their days must be numbered within the political, civil and cultural stucture of what is essentially nowadays, a modern country.

If you want some more, come back and I will give you more, and have a good evening.
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Well, well. As my english is not so "advanced" as yours and I am used to call things by its names, I have to say, refered to above post, the following:
IT IS A LORRY FULL OF BULL****
You seem to know nothing about what you are talking about.

All the best.


Ardelloeixe, on line
 
Ardelloeixe said:
VO5 wrote:


Well, well. As my english is not so "advanced" as yours and I am used to call things by its names, I have to say, refered to above post, the following:
IT IS A LORRY FULL OF BULL****
You seem to know nothing about what you are talking about.

All the best.


Ardelloeixe, on line
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As you English is not so advanced, you are probably a Spaniard.:D "Jose".

I know a great deal about all this. And I know a great deal about you and your boat, that is the sort of toy one finds in cornflake packets.

My family have been in Gibraltar since 1717. They appear in all the civil registers since. They also appear in the first British population census taken in 1777 after the Treaty of Utrecht was signed by Britain and Spain granting Gibraltar to Britain in perpetuity.

What does an agreement mean to a Spaniard ? ...Nothing ! That is why you cannot be trusted. Not with anything really serious.That is why your country is one to have fun in, that's all as you are no good for, nothing else. "Tourism" and "Exporting Fruit and Veg", you know what I mean.

This particular census was ordered by the Governor of the Garrison because he came to the inexhorable conclusion that the treaty was about to be broken. He was not wrong.

He had to determine who could be allowed to remain and who not.

We have had to endure 14 sieges as a result of Spain signing an agreement and then through the ages renaging.

So I know a great deal about all of this and you obviously know zero.:D

As for lorryloads, I will remind you of all the lorryloads of bread sent out from Gibraltar as an act of kindness and charity to feed the starving hordes in your country during and after the Spanish Civil War that preceded the Second World War, and right after it.

I remember, as a child, in the 1950's the chain of lorries loaded with loaves of bread sent to feed you ungrateful lot still continued for at least another 5 years !

Come back for more and I will give you more, and don't forget what Admiral Lord Nelson did to you Dons and Froggies at the Battle of Trafalgar, Ha Ha Ha.

I have your defeated Admiral's drinking glasses, eleven of them.

We drink a toast to the victory in the battle and to the memory of Admiral Lord Nelson in particular, in Navy Rum here in my home every year, precisely at noon every 21st of October without fail.

Now dare to show your insolent face to me again on a British Website, see what you get, or better still try to vociferate your views in Main Street and you are likely to get lynched, comprendes ?

All the best.
 
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VO5 said:
As you English is not so advanced, you are probably a Spaniard.:D "Jose".

I know a great deal about all this. And I know a great deal about you and your boat, that is the sort of toy one finds in cornflake packets.

My family have been in Gibraltar since 1717. They appear in all the civil registers since. They also appear in the first British population census taken in 1777 after the Treaty of Utrecht was signed by Britain and Spain granting Gibraltar to Britain in perpetuity.

What does an agreement mean to a Spaniard ? ...Nothing ! That is why you cannot be trusted. Not with anything really serious.That is why your country is one to have fun in, that's all as you are no good for, nothing else. "Tourism" and "Exporting Fruit and Veg", you know what I mean.

This particular census was ordered by the Governor of the Garrison because he came to the inexhorable conclusion that the treaty was about to be broken. He was not wrong.

He had to determine who could be allowed to remain and who not.

We have had to endure 14 sieges as a result of Spain signing an agreement and then through the ages renaging.

So I know a great deal about all of this and you obviously know zero.:D

As for lorryloads, I will remind you of all the lorryloads of bread sent out from Gibraltar as an act of kindness and charity to feed the starving hordes in your country during and after the Spanish Civil War that preceded the Second World War, and right after it.

I remember, as a child, in the 1950's the chain of lorries loaded with loaves of bread sent to feed you ungrateful lot still continued for at least another 5 years !

Come back for more and I will give you more, and don't forget what Admiral Lord Nelson did to you Dons and Froggies at the Battle of Trafalgar, Ha Ha Ha.

I have your defeated Admiral's drinking glasses, eleven of them.

We drink a toast to the victory in the battle and to the memory of Admiral Lord Nelson in particular, in Navy Rum here in my home every year, precisely at noon every 21st of October without fail.

Now dare to show your insolent face to me again on a British Website, see what you get, or better still try to vociferate your views in Main Street and you are likely to get lynched, comprendes ?

All the best.
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Now, now, not right to insult a mans nationality, it is after all, an accident of birth.
Insulting a mans boat is also not really on, perhaps it's what he likes/can afford.
You say you are a gentleman, please behave and act like one. Thank you.
By the way I happen to like Gibraltar and my company is registered there.
All the best to you, have a very merry christmas and a brilliant new year.
 
Among other things in the same line, VO5 wrote:
Come back for more and I will give you more, and don't forget what Admiral Lord Nelson did to you Dons and Froggies at the Battle of Trafalgar, Ha Ha Ha.

I have your defeated Admiral's drinking glasses, eleven of them.

We drink a toast to the victory in the battle and to the memory of Admiral Lord Nelson in particular, in Navy Rum here in my home every year, precisely at noon every 21st of October without fail.
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Please, have a Google on "Admiral Vernon" and "Blas de Lezo"

What you say in you post means that your family were spanish not so long time ago. Is not so?

About the rest of nonsense in yur post I will keep quiet. I will not go into a polemic discussion about your lack of knowledge and education.

All the best and merry Xmas.

Ardelloeixe
 
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